lol pythag

Sweet post thayer. About as useful as your hero A-rod in the playoffs.

Certainly there are a number of things wrong with pythag, or simple win totals. My point was simply that they didn't dominate night in and night out like some of the acknowledged great teams. To that end the statistic serves its purpose.

The Pistons were good at winning in the playoffs though, so if you're sorting by RANGZ that is pretty important.

They led the East in wins both years pretty easily and crushed their opponents in the playoffs. Citing pythag to dispute a "lol pythag" argument/example is pretty silly.

yep, its amazing what kinda drug nostalgia is. isiah>cp3 is basically the most lolold opinion ive seen around here. of which there are plenty.

BUT PEOPLE THAT TRULY WATCHED HIM KNOW HOW MUCH HE WANTED TO WIN

tried to do an unbiased h2h isiah vs cp3. here we go.

isiah: 22.2 PER, 55.4 TS%, 49.8 eFG%, 47.9 AST%, 15.3 TOV%, on 24.4 USG. 5.9 TRB%, 3.1 STL%, 99.7 LEADERSHIP%

paul: 22.0 PER, 53.7 TS%, 45.6 eFG%, 38.2 AST%, 13.9 TOV%, on 21.1 USG. 5.8 TRB%, 2.7 STL%, 0.01 LEADERSHIP%

so it looks like i stand corrected and isiah actually matches up pretty well vs cp3 even if you give cp3 the edge on defense id still give a small edge to isiah. apologies.

oh wait, nvm, those are actually isiah's career highs in each category matched up against cp3's career lows. GRIT THOUGH.

Oh? Both years they barely the Bulls, one year they beat a Lakers team that was missing both of its starting guards (one of them being Magic Johnson). The Portland series was impressive but they were lucky to face a team that was no better than third best in the west.

Your argument is apparently wins > pythag wins when evaluating the strength of a team over an 82 game schedule. I figured you would cite a more advanced metric, not a less advanced one.

Detroit was really good, but you only jumped in because I was the one who made that post. That is lame and so is your explanation.

Naw I jumped in because I'm #1 on the lol pythag leaderboad bro, not everything's about you. When the Bulls took the Pistons to 7 games in 1990 the Pistons went 4-0 at home with an average score of 95-82.

Is it really unpredictable that a team with the best defense and full of hustle/effort/WIM players would out perform pythag?

3 minutes til tip off gentlemen.

also it shouldnt be seen as a surprise that the pistons 2 most successful seasons were past isiah's far and away peak. during said peak, the '83-'84 thru '85-'86, the pistons were bounced from the first round twice and 2nd round once. where was isiah's super grit and leadership then? its the same **** when ppl used to argue kobe>lebron by using the winning argument, despite the fact that the lakers least successful seasons during the kobe era were during his peak as well- '04-'05 thru '06-'07.

winning titles isnt some thing that one player can do by himself. sure WIM & grit exist, but the gap between cp3 & isiah is so wide statistically that it cannot simply be made up for by a gap (possibly not even real) in their leadership & desire to win.

Geoff you seem rustled.

It's just one of those situations where you can't just compare tangibles with tangibles. There's the intangible to consider, and yeah it's murky, grey, hard to define, etc. But nobody could beat Isiah when it came to the intangibles (only Jordan could tie him).

I stand by what I said before. CP3's cute Clippers team will never go anywhere. Replace CP3 with Isiah and the Clippers would be ready to win it all today.

Where do I get what you are on?

I know it's stupid to engage with blind homers but seriously this is so stupid it's hilarious. The reason the Clippers/Cp3 haven't won anything is CP3 has barely played with a HOF'er--maybe Blake will be one while Isiah played what what 5 other HOF'ers as you claim. I probably underrate Isiah b/c I think he really is a mediocre HOF'er. With that being said he get's a ton of credit for being the alpha dog on a really good Detroit team. He is like Eli or Derrick Rose, get's a lot of credit for being clutch and winning when the real reason the team wins is D, something Eli has nothing to do with, Rose is pretty mediocre at and so is Isiah.

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http://articles.philly.com/1997-04-0...ons-joe-dumars

i mean, i guess if you added isiah's DESIRE TO WIN to cp3s production then maybe? but the clippers would be much worse during the regular season in a loaded WC if you replaced the two.

but yea, if you truly believe this then there's really no point in continuing further as it's something that is impossible to prove and you seem to have your mind pretty made up. you are more than welcome to your (very flawed) opinion.

When you agree fully with TWD (I'm talking to you ILP99), you should question your choices.

Lol well played.

I for one am shocked that people from Detroit think the Pistons were GOAT

Incredible stuff. Wish I was old enough to remember. GOAT team journey.

Yep. No complaints here. Documentary is delivering. Fab Five 30 for 30 is better but not by much.

"Great champions usually do the right thing."

Yeah that's what they did sir.

**** the Bulls, **** their constant whining, **** the refs, **** the Bulls!

Lol walk off like the pussies they were. God I hated that team.

Walk off was pretty classless

also wasn't there pretty strong evidence that the bad boys shaved points?