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05-20-2020 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PoseidonCubed
I think lot of people have just decided that this is over and have decided to move on like normal.
Apart from going back to work...
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05-20-2020 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
So long as they are still being paid, they have no reason to take that risk.
Once again, the players have the clubs over a barrel. Their contracts don't cater for this, so they will insist of getting paid whatever. They know football finances are going down the toilet and are just grabbing what they can until they have to negotiate new contracts, on a lot less money.

Sure, the top tier players will still get the big bucks but the average PL player, currently on around 50-60k a week, will probably earn half as much.
Football is kind of lucky where the majority of players in lower divisions are on one year deals and at most a player has 4 years left on their deal, where there are baseball players with 12+ years left on deals.
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05-20-2020 , 06:57 PM
It's not luck. Lower division players have short contracts because it they win promotion, the chances are that they're not going to be good enough for the division above and if they get relegated, they're probably being paid too much for the division below. The players with more than a year contract are those with great potential or those who are genuinely good and have sell on value.
US sport is totally different to the rest of the world. It's a closed shop. No relegations so a team is always going to be playing in the lucrative league.

Last edited by PeteBlow; 05-20-2020 at 07:03 PM.
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05-20-2020 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
We wont know the long term effects for decades. Are you willing to wait that long? I dont understand why it cant be the choice of each individual footballer to assume the risk and decide to play and earn a living or not. It seems so simple

We know concussions have very serious long term effects and are a prominent part of football yet footballers still line up to ink million dollar contracts and assume that risk
Concussions aren't contagious
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05-20-2020 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
So long as they are still being paid, they have no reason to take that risk.
Once again, the players have the clubs over a barrel. Their contracts don't cater for this, so they will insist of getting paid whatever. They know football finances are going down the toilet and are just grabbing what they can until they have to negotiate new contracts, on a lot less money.

Sure, the top tier players will still get the big bucks but the average PL player, currently on around 50-60k a week, will probably earn half as much.
Wow I didn't realize they were still getting paid in full. That's incredible. RIP football.

Can a club furlough it's own players? I mean, obviously that would be a death blow for the club, but just curious if it's legally possible in the UK.

I'm still befuddled the country lost it's **** when owners furloughed non-playing staff and made up the other 20% so they got their full wages but not a peep about players who will demand to be paid in full with no pay cut
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05-20-2020 , 09:38 PM
You need consent from the employee to be furloughed, though I assume with the millions of furloughed employees across the country they're pretty lax about this. Plus what, the £2,500 per month would be like 0.3% of Salah's wage?

There's been plenty of peep about the players, it's the PFA who is telling players not to budge.
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05-20-2020 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bazooka87
You need consent from the employee to be furloughed, though I assume with the millions of furloughed employees across the country they're pretty lax about this. Plus what, the £2,500 per month would be like 0.3% of Salah's wage?

There's been plenty of peep about the players, it's the PFA who is telling players not to budge.
Right I obviously get it's a pittance of a Premier League players salary which is why I was asking if it's even possible? What happens if canteen Sally does not give her consent to be furloughed? She's fired and paid the remainder of her contract which or may not even exist? I see the difference now
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05-20-2020 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bazooka87
Concussions aren't contagious
I realize that of course. But you can get a concussion on any given day you step onto a football pitch for a competitive training or match. Just like you are saying you could theoretically get COVID from on any given day from doing the same. One has known devastating long term effects. The other we are speculating might have long term effects but really have no idea. This post was in direct response to it possibly having long term effects for the athlete
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05-20-2020 , 10:05 PM
I meant contagious for the people who aren't footballers. Troy Deeney has said he refuses to train and play because he has a few months old child with breathing difficulties. What happens if he gets it and presents as asymptomatic for a day or two?
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05-20-2020 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bazooka87
I meant contagious for the people who aren't footballers. Troy Deeney has said he refuses to train and play because he has a few months old child with breathing difficulties. What happens if he gets it and presents as asymptomatic for a day or two?
Right again that's his decision and it should obviously be respected.

My response and likening to concussion was specifically responding a post that was stating players shouldn't play because we dont know the long term effects of COVID yet
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05-21-2020 , 01:43 AM
lfc simping for the rich owners of football clubs that have made enourmous amounts of money from doing nothing useful
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05-21-2020 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
Wow I didn't realize they were still getting paid in full. That's incredible. RIP football.

Can a club furlough it's own players? I mean, obviously that would be a death blow for the club, but just curious if it's legally possible in the UK.

I'm still befuddled the country lost it's **** when owners furloughed non-playing staff and made up the other 20% so they got their full wages but not a peep about players who will demand to be paid in full with no pay cut
Why were you confused that billion dollar companies not paying wages that were probably not even in the millions upset people?
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05-21-2020 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
Wow I didn't realize they were still getting paid in full. That's incredible. RIP football.

Can a club furlough it's own players? I mean, obviously that would be a death blow for the club, but just curious if it's legally possible in the UK.

I'm still befuddled the country lost it's **** when owners furloughed non-playing staff and made up the other 20% so they got their full wages but not a peep about players who will demand to be paid in full with no pay cut
Mate we discussed this weeks ago, I remember venting that players and managers were greedy ***** for not taking pay cuts and that poor Agnes and go would be the ones to suffer.
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05-21-2020 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by daca
lfc simping for the rich owners of football clubs that have made enourmous amounts of money from doing nothing useful
Not at all. Merely pointing the double standard that these players are filthy ****ing rich for playing a game as well and rarely come under scrutiny.
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05-21-2020 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
Not at all. Merely pointing the double standard that these players are filthy ****ing rich for playing a game as well and rarely come under scrutiny.
That really isn't the case.
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05-21-2020 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
Not at all. Merely pointing the double standard that these players are filthy ****ing rich for playing a game as well and rarely come under scrutiny.
They have been under plenty of scrutiny.

Players from lots of clubs have taken huge paycuts, Barca took a 70% cut and all Juve players waived 4 months wages.
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05-21-2020 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopie1
That really isn't the case.
I only know it from Twitter and you guys, but I think LFC is just making an American mistake. American tabloids don't really go after athletes like the Brits do.
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05-21-2020 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by t3hbandit
They have been under plenty of scrutiny.

Players from lots of clubs have taken huge paycuts, Barca took a 70% cut and all Juve players waived 4 months wages.


What about in England? And to be fair it's mostly Liverpool circles that don't ever seem to criticize the players for not taking wage cuts but will blame every single thing on the owners. I suppose it's not as bad itt but I don't remember seeing much criticism, at least not proportional criticism.

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I only know it from Twitter and you guys, but I think LFC is just making an American mistake. American tabloids don't really go after athletes like the Brits do.
This is also fair. I don't read much British tabloids. Just Liverpool circle and they love to harp on finances and where money is going but the players getting paid 250k/wk to play a game never seems to come under much scrutiny.
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05-21-2020 , 07:05 PM
Random Q to spur some non aids discussion: what is everybody's favorite recent or all time kit (from their club)?
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05-21-2020 , 07:11 PM


obv
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05-21-2020 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Random Q to spur some non aids discussion: what is everybody's favorite recent or all time kit (from their club)?
Arse:



Other:



Can’t ever remember Inter having a bad kit.
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05-21-2020 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Random Q to spur some non aids discussion: what is everybody's favorite recent or all time kit (from their club)?
Favorite all time kit of my club:


The indisputable GOAT kit of all time

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05-22-2020 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Dresden had a few prior to their game with Hannover this weekend and it was postponed. I imagine it'll operate the same way here - if it's one or two, play on, if it's a bunch of them and the PL says postpone it, postpone it, otherwise invoke the Middlesbrough precedent
The Dresden health office ordered all players (and staff as well I presume) to quarantine for two weeks which was surely meant to be avoided by segregated training groups and whatnot, but that's how it is. So it's obv. really unfair to Dynamo but no one seems to give a ****.
As a Club supporter, we benefit from that. I still believe we're gonna get relegated again actually.
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05-22-2020 , 03:10 AM
My fave kits were the Man Utd kits in the 90s when Sharp and Umbro were our sponsors. I probably had every kit from 93 onwards and had names such as Hughes, Keane and Yorke on the back. I remember saving up to get the Hughes shirt in like 95 and he left months later the no good ****.
The only one I didn't like was that cheese and onion kit in the 93-94 season.
Those were the days, you could play footy with your mates in a United shirt and strut like a peacock. Nowdays wearing a United shirt as a kid would be like wearing Hitec trainers in the 90s youd probably get your head shoved in a muddy puddle and told to up your game. Mind you if a saw a kid wearing a Pogba shirt id feel like doing it myself.

Last edited by ukbilly; 05-22-2020 at 03:15 AM. Reason: If they had a Lingard or Jones shirt id plead insanity.
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05-22-2020 , 03:54 AM
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