I dont remember Bayern dropping these bantz last year. Uli throwing haymakers (from the Athletic article)

An interesting look at that question from Statsbomb

https://statsbomb.com/2020/02/being-...ood-liverpool/

The findings being that :

Noone can score against Liverpool from range (1 goal from >21 yards and that was the free kick after Alisson was sent off)

Noone can can hit the target against them from the left side of the box

They are very good at set pieces offensively

They overachieve with reference to xG offensively almost entirely when they are level in games , and overachieve defensively with reference to it when ahead.

More on Liverpools defensive ability to prevent good shots

https://medium.com/@sutirthamukhopad...d-b748e717dd41

Team combines easy to save chances with a great goalkeeper

A few LlorisGOAT articles doing the rounds right now - Gazzaniga did okay, but we look a lot better with Lloris.

All those words are how they're defining 'deliberate' and none of them apply to the incident yesterday.

The bolded above is actually incorrect. If the defender's arm is in an unnatural position then they are obliged to get out of the way.

I think the word "deliberate" is a bit of a red herring here. It's about as vague as the NFL's "football move" when establishing whether a catch has been made. There's a long debate in philosophy as to what actually constitutes "intentionality" and whether that's the same as being deliberate and expecting refs to be able to make those kind of calls in real time is unrealistic. The annoying thing with VAR is that the technology isn't the problem, as most people are suggesting. It's that we've not previously had a meaningful debate about what these terms actually mean and how a ref can be expected to operationalise them.

That being said, it seems really clear to me that it's not a penalty. The defender was in the process of moving his arms behind his back, i.e. clearly making an effort to make his body smaller to not gain an advantage.

Fair enough, agreed but I was making an assumption that the arms aren't in an unnatural position to start with. I think it's fair to say that if they're in an unnatural position then the defender has already moved them to deliberately block the ball.

They're under no obligation to put their arms behind their back, which is why the "natural silhouette" part of the guidance was introduced.

Lloris (C), Aurier, Alderweireld, Sanchez, Davies, Dier, Winks, Dele, Bergwijn, Son, Lucas.

jfc why would you bench both glc and ndombs for dier? at least we have a natural left-back again

Yea this is how I saw it. Was surprised at the talk of a penalty after seeing it. Pretty clear non pen for me.

I was a bit surprised our goal stood although it probably wasnt enough for a var overturn. I wonder if the ref let it run because of var, feel sure he would have normally blown.

Porter scores, we're on the pitch... oh

Nice foul Serge you ****ing donut

LOL

Nice one Toby & lolris

Atkinson is right there, doesn't award obvious corner

ffs book him already

This is a fun game.

Serge yet to do anything positive

That was a lovely finish

Losing 2-1 as well. Don't think he'll be invited to post-game drinks.

I reckon Aurier is offside in the build up to the corner lol, VAR GOAT

Dele could have 4 goals already sigh

Penno

Is this Dutch bloke van der Welbz or something?

Lol at that pen

lol

We’ve been way better since about 5m before we scored, worryingly dire before that.

Aurier Lucas Dier (especially Serge and Dier) all having massive shockers.