Unless Villa are known to be resting players of the playoffs already, I'm not sure how Leeds are odds on on Sunday?

Henderson has been at this level for a while though. It's just a lot of stuff he does doesn't necessarily = stat sheet things

**** Italian fined and issues arising between the clubs have been resolved (ie **** Italian withdrew the complaint, probably because it was a lie in the first place).

Are those the stats sites that say Mustafi > VVD?

Best attacker on a potential 97 point team with the second best goal scoring record in the league. Scores goals, assists goals, creates chances, legitimate aerial threat despite being short, makes great runs to create space for the other two excellent players in our front 3, does a fair bit of tracking back, very good on counter attacks, great at pressing and winning the ball back from the opposition either directly or forcing them into a bad ball, etc...

Hazard is a great player but goes missing far too often. On his day he is legit bpitl stuff but based on this season hes not in that POTY front 3. Can make a case for 2 of Sterling, Mane, Salah and I'm ok with just how they did it. I do think Salah is a victim of how good he was last year but I also do think Mane has been just a bit better overall this season.

hazard goes missing a lot?
guy has 16 goals and 13 assists despite being their only real goal threat and pulling like 3+ defenders on him at all times
he was directly involved in half of their goals ffs, he has been insane this season.
Mane is very very good but not close to hazard level

LFC, no offense but I ask you for why Mané has been better than Hazard this season on an inidividual level and you first sentence only talks about team level. We get it, Liverpool has been better than Chelsea this season and their trio up front has been deadly while barely missing any games. You do realize that mane playing in a deadly front 3 gives only more credit to Hazard's numbers given that he's played a lot of minutes with pedro/higuain/morata and is constantly pulling defenders on him.

Imagine how much better than Mané a man that goes missing "far too often" must be to be on 29 scorepoints to Mané's 19 while playing less minutes and being around less talented attacking players...

Best part was this though

So no one in Liverpools front 3 should be in the TOTY?

Is the consensus it really that 18/19 hazard >>> mane/Salah? What about sterling?

Yes team stuff is important. It goes beyond just stats otherwise you get takes like mustafi > vvd

Mane has 18 goals to Hazard's 16. Mane's tally doesn't include pens, Hazard has 4.

Counteracted by Mane only having one assist to Hazard's 13.

Hazard takes it for me.

ye milner takes penalties and plays higher up the pitch
we don't need a diagram to show us that

what would happen if you made the same one with fabinho vs milner?
exactly

Yet you compared our cms scoring record with siggurdson.

Also your note on passing is pointless given the strengths of our fbs and front 3, obv our midfield does way less recycling of possession these days. Henderson has led the league in passing volume in the past.

It's similar to sixfour thinking none of the Sheff Utd defenders deserve a place in the Championship TOTY, because they are just a sold solid unit without an outstanding individual but have the best defensive record in the division.

LFC, I don't care much about TOTY but yes Hazard has been better than both Salah & Mané this season on an individual level. I actually don't think it's that close. If the rule for TOTY is to find the best 3 forwards of the season, then I probably would give Sterling, Hazard and Mané. I think Salah & Mané has been close and Salah is just being looked down on because had a stretch of scoreless games and suffers from comparison from last season.

I'm mainly reacting to you saying he wouldn't get in liverpool team though, which is a very strange thing to say imo

But yes of course Salah, Mané & Firmino >>> Hazard, Pedro & Higuain and team stuff matters for team awards such as trophies which isn't what TOTY is about I believe. This isn't the NBA where you just give it to the best player on the best team

city has elite front 3 and and great attacking FBs as well, doesn't make the passing contribution from fernandinho, kdb, bernando & co "pointless"
it's the reason they are better than you

It's not so much that Hazard doesn't get in the team as hes not the massive upgrade he would be for most teams and Liverpool have 3 players who fit their system absolutely perfect. In this case the system is better more important than the individual which is why I dont think there is a glaring need for Hazard at Liverpool and I don't think it's a snap call to get him in the side like it would be pretty much anywhere else itw.

We ain't talking about city, nice shift tho.

1 point better in the league, at least 1 round worse in Europe. Sick burn bro. Do keep going though I am entertained

He got called out on Chelsea depth and Chelsea CMs and failed to address either until he played the Ross Barkley card. tbf I can see why he would shift the goal posts

how on earth does someone constantly create discussions nobody is even having?
-Hazard ahead of Mane for TOTY
??????????
LFC shifts to "there is no claring need for hazard at pool"

Huh? Read Cina post that I was responding to and I think it's pretty clear what we were talking about. Cina was going back to the discussion about Hazard getting into Pools XI. Do you even read?

Psychological self-projection
You really showing us the whole arsenal of your ego today

Did you invest all the super busy money in psychology classes? More psychobabble so you dont have to address the multiple idiotic points you've made please

Right TOTY

Son - Aguero - Sterling
Hazard - Ferdandinho - Silva
Robbo - Laporte - VvD - AWB
Alisson

Close with doherty though

3 Plop
5 citeh
1 spurs
1 Chelsea
1 CP/wolves

Fraser, Ederson deserve a mention too.

Not a big pile on (posters) guy but does anyone else find this incredibly rich lol

Think I could get behind this but replacing dinho with someone