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02-20-2015 , 05:12 PM
ITT amateurs tell pros how easy their job is and how much money they'd be making if they just set their mind to it.
02-20-2015 , 05:19 PM
If poker was so hard then these Eastern European grinding camps would not exist. Of course poker is getting much harder - and it's a miracle it has taken this long - but it's still not as hard as some make it out to be.
02-20-2015 , 05:19 PM
02-20-2015 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BertieWooster
Ya cause I'm just going to wager 5k blind that i can beat someone who isn't willing to reveal what stakes/games they play. Most I'm willing to commit to lose v you is $500, if that's too small fry for big dick Bandit then so be it.
I've already told you I played MS NL and PLO. Do you think the poker pro's ITT were all playing $15 SNG's?

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Originally Posted by heh
I would still feel better about putting up $5k to defend a claim that I can beat, say, 25PLO than putting up $5k that I can beat a random 2p2'er, tbh.
I doubt you'd be ITT telling the pro's how easy their job is. He's the one who said he would happily play me HU and when I say yes he wants to play micro stakes. Poker is easy haven't you heard so all it should take is a few hours/days study and he'll be at my level or even beyond. I wouldn't be able to play for 10 days so he's got loads of time.
02-20-2015 , 05:35 PM
I won $100 playing poker at a friends' house before going out in college once. GOAT
02-20-2015 , 05:44 PM
I think it's funny that 2+2 hand history section used to have valuable advice and it was harmful for the poker economy, but now it's actually the opposite, just bad players talking cos the good players have learned to shut up.
02-20-2015 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BertieWooster
If poker was so hard then these Eastern European grinding camps would not exist.

not sure if serious
02-20-2015 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by S.K
Agreed I played a ****load daily for a few years.. Full tilt was awesome until black Friday . Used to have like 16 $26 90 mans on the go along with the mtts. Good times

No interest in poker anymore
I won a mill pre black friday and then broke even after. Quit in November and have no interest so far either. Agree with everything Cashy wrote on this page.

In other news, last call for last man standing, taking entries til 2pm CET tomorrow, €10 to matt20 on stars to play or pm for paypal
02-20-2015 , 06:18 PM
It's funny how the main anecdotes Bertie is using for why poker is easy are the people who are usually slight losers who become slight winners after rakeback/bonuses. (generally true of the eastern euros and asian starcraft contigents)
02-20-2015 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
chesterfield could be good, rochdale are in freefall
Cheers.

Noticed a funny one while I was checking out the form, Gillingham are on a bit of a run coming up against bottom of the league Yeovil but Gillingham is 5/2.

Is there a reason why Yeovil are favourites?

Chesterfield and Gillingham double gives me a very nice return. Anyone who knows about League 1 able to shed more light on it?
02-20-2015 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
hahaha ... so much this.

Christ .... some of you could start and keep a argument going in a empty room.

Next years thread should just be called Kindergarten.
02-20-2015 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mic_check12
I won a mill pre black friday and then broke even after.
not so thinly veiled brag
02-20-2015 , 07:32 PM
zimbabwean dollars itt
02-20-2015 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ChopSueyyy
not so thinly veiled brag
not even sure which half of that sentence is a bigger brag.
02-20-2015 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pissychips
Cheers.

Noticed a funny one while I was checking out the form, Gillingham are on a bit of a run coming up against bottom of the league Yeovil but Gillingham is 5/2.

Is there a reason why Yeovil are favourites?
no idea. gillingham are crap, needed a spawny late goal to get the points against us, and are in some combination of playing teams in freefall/playing for a new manager so actually giving a ****. dunno about yeovil but table doesn't lie
02-20-2015 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kingweed
This thread has been really aggressive this year.
Great isn't it
02-20-2015 , 10:52 PM
Kinda started last year with a flurry putyourmoneywhereyourmouth is action pre and early season. Many united and spurs fans were left butthurt and relieved of their hard earned dollars by season end. Bank of baids also lined its coffers with its pro liverpool support.

Since then the thread is very sensitive to people making claims about anything.

From what ive seen things have been civil once terms get agreed to and no ones had to pull a lost ostrich to get out of any money owed.

I for one fully support the put up or shut up mentality the thread has adopted. However it would be nice to have more civil and enlightening discussions about actual tactics and theory. Basically just need bjorn to post once a day to balance our posting content range.
02-20-2015 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ilikemilkshake
Great isn't it
NO IT ISN'T.

Take my wife etc.
02-20-2015 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopie1
NO IT ISN'T.
Let's go! HU tiddlywinks for a fiver, a pint and packet of cheese and onion McCoys
02-20-2015 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by marek_heinz
I think you guys are way too dramatic about it, the exposure poker gets as a fun/accesible game > damage from future twitch regs. The dedication it takes to put hundreds of hours into even strategic/tough games is very different to actually learning and beating poker
The more people stream (which appears to be more and more), more free advice is given out, when free advice is given out, viewers question their own decisions,' they seek to find better answers (or answer the streamer told them), their winrate goes up, yours goes down. On Twitch, a site dedicated to gamers, usually people who are quite serious. Just because he wont be able to instantly beat the games after watching your stream, doesnt make it "dramatic".

Any education is pretty bad. Especially when all its for is a bit of attention of internet people to stroke your ego with no monetary return. Theres a reason why good players never post strat in the SSNL/MSNL section, because they know how detrimental it is nowadays. Is not posting some replies to hand histories too dramatic aswell?

At least with poker training sites you can see why theyre doing. Smash and grab from the ecosystem to makes Hundreds of thousands in a year without having to produce much content.


football: cmon sherGOAT. first game

Bertie: Ofc its as hard for people to make out to be. to make an actual living from it in westernized countries will be close to impossible for a huge number of people. (online that is ). if Mic_check is the guy i think it is and made a milly playing 400nl, just shows how difficult its become when playing 1knl will still take you 4+ years to make a milly (if youre one of the best there)

Last edited by Burnss; 02-20-2015 at 11:31 PM. Reason: just woke up so post is a bit muddled not that much point to it lol
02-21-2015 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
not even sure which half of that sentence is a bigger brag.
3m hands before and 3m hands after, I'm gonna go with the first part!

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Originally Posted by Burnss
The more people stream (which appears to be more and more), more free advice is given out, when free advice is given out, viewers question their own decisions,' they seek to find better answers (or answer the streamer told them), their winrate goes up, yours goes down. On Twitch, a site dedicated to gamers, usually people who are quite serious. Just because he wont be able to instantly beat the games after watching your stream, doesnt make it "dramatic".

Any education is pretty bad. Especially when all its for is a bit of attention of internet people to stroke your ego with no monetary return. Theres a reason why good players never post strat in the SSNL/MSNL section, because they know how detrimental it is nowadays. Is not posting some replies to hand histories too dramatic aswell?

At least with poker training sites you can see why theyre doing. Smash and grab from the ecosystem to makes Hundreds of thousands in a year without having to produce much content.


football: cmon sherGOAT. first game

Bertie: Ofc its as hard for people to make out to be. to make an actual living from it in westernized countries will be close to impossible for a huge number of people. (online that is ). if Mic_check is the guy i think it is and made a milly playing 400nl, just shows how difficult its become when playing 1knl will still take you 4+ years to make a milly (if youre one of the best there)
Yup agree with all (apart from Villa, please just go down already), my s/n is in the same post where I call for last man standing entries. Weak tight, never bluff reg fish, luckily that was a winning strat a few years back!

Last few hours for last man, got 60ish runners paid up so far. €10 to matt20 on stars to play!
02-21-2015 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FeralCreature
ITT amateurs tell pros how easy their job is and how much money they'd be making if they just set their mind to it.
qft.
02-21-2015 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by cashy
while still having the audacity to act like they know what they are talking about.

and with its unknown variables and endless bet amount possibilities extremely hard to solve(contrary to chess/backgammon etc)
lol
02-21-2015 , 05:15 AM
wtf, didn't realise it was an international break
02-21-2015 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cashy
jesus ****ing christ some people really need everything spoon-fed to them while still having the audacity to act like they know what they are talking about.

I lay it out quite simply so you even might understand bertie.
the difficulty/competitiveness of a game is mainly put together by two variables:
-amount of competition
-complexity of the game

NL poker is extremely complex and with its unknown variables and endless bet amount possibilities extremely hard to solve(contrary to chess/backgammon etc)
less complex games(fixed limit) have basically been solved for years and have been dead/unbeatable because of it.


with its easy availability and big potential gain there are a ridiculous amount of people trying to become good at online poker a/o solve it. there are training camps all over the world nowadays(eastern europe especially) and games are flooded with very advanced bots.

soccer is tougher than bowling, starcraft is tougher than donkey kong and poker is much much tougher than a frigging video game(even ignoring the huge handicap which is rake).
if you can't see that you are just delusional as ****
When you are condescending and correct then you can be bearable, when you say really obvious stuff whilst keeping the haughty tone you just look like a moron.

lol at Chess not being really hard to solve - it's virtually unsolvable as far as I know.

I've played some of these "very advanced bots" - HUSNGs are probably the most bot friendly games - and they're nothing special. The thing is they don't need to be because most humans are still pretty bad at poker - worse than they should be.

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You have two options:
1) Admit poker isn't all that hard - as in a fairly dedicated/smart person can still make decent money without trying too hard.
Or, 2) Admit your nemesis lol_bandit is a super smart master of logic - hurr durr he apparently beats MID STAKES NL!!!!!!

Last edited by BertieWooster; 02-21-2015 at 05:39 AM.

      
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