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12-20-2013 , 02:48 AM
Lets be honest. We like the inherent danger of football. It's part of the appeal.
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12-20-2013 , 04:02 AM
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As I think you recognize, I wasn't arguing that football has some unique ability to teach teamwork skills or develop character. I don't believe that at all. Rather, I was arguing that that I felt more like a part of a team when I played football, whereas I felt like an individual player on a team when I played baseball and basketball. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's because I didn't play a glamour position in football. Maybe it's because I wasn't as good at football as the other sports and therefore didn't have my ego wrapped up in my individual play. Maybe it's because football players wear the identical "disguise" of a helmet and pads.
The clear and present danger leads to male bonding. That's why dudes who fight wars together are tighter than dudes who work in offices together.
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12-30-2013 , 01:35 PM
Staubach interview during this bowl game was cringeworthy. Dude can barely put a sentence together.
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01-08-2014 , 12:34 AM
Esquire is launching a TV channel. There's a trailer out for a 10 part doc on Texas youth football called Friday Night Tykes

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One coach tells a player to hit an opponent in the head, then adds:

"I don't care if he don't get up."

Additionally, with more and more parents thinking twice about allowing their kids to play football because of the growing evidence linking concussions with brain disease, it is worth noting that during the 90-second promotional clip, there are two helmet-to-helmet hits that would draw fines in the NFL.

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01-08-2014 , 12:48 AM
Murrica
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01-08-2014 , 12:51 AM
These coaches need to be locked up, they are 100% mentally unstable.
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01-08-2014 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
These coaches need to be locked up, they are 100% mentally unstable.
probably have CTE
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01-08-2014 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
Esquire is launching a TV channel. There's a trailer out for a 10 part doc on Texas youth football called Friday Night Tykes




No way the NFL lets that air, they'll pull whatever they did to ESPN on that PBS/ESPN concussion special that ESPN ended up abandoning. You will see the NFL threaten every sponsor esquire has.
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01-08-2014 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
This. People forget how popular boxing was in the 1950s and 60s, and how successful boxing was at attracting elite athletes, especially big athletes.

Tyson might be the only elite athlete in the heavyweight division since 1980.

Football will continue, but participation will dwindle, and with it, the quality of play relative to other pro sports.
I doubt this will be true because the organizations that run each are so vastly different. Boxing was and is very fragmented with no main organization or promotion. The NFL on the other hand is a multibillion dollar company with 32 billion+ dollar owners with huge investments to protect. Much like they already have they will pour money into suppressing a lot of negative news and try and put as many "rules" in place to give the sense they are trying to protect the athlete and the game. There is way too much money in the NFL and NCAA to allow it to happen.
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01-08-2014 , 03:20 AM
Doing that to kids is outright barbaric. No decent parent would ever let their child play football at such a young age.
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01-08-2014 , 10:59 AM
I played full contact football starting at 6, and this was back in the 70s when tackling with your helmet was standard. Had multiple concussions before I even got to high school (played RB + LB). Have been wondering lately if that changed the course of my life.
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01-08-2014 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by stunna954
I doubt this will be true because the organizations that run each are so vastly different. Boxing was and is very fragmented with no main organization or promotion. The NFL on the other hand is a multibillion dollar company with 32 billion+ dollar owners with huge investments to protect. Much like they already have they will pour money into suppressing a lot of negative news and try and put as many "rules" in place to give the sense they are trying to protect the athlete and the game. There is way too much money in the NFL and NCAA to allow it to happen.
Money gives football lasting power there is no doubt. The NFL, NCAA, and other interested parties use money to suppress the truth and introduce evidence that allows those in favor of football to plausibly deny the long-term effects of playing the game.

My hope is that in the next decade technology will become widely available that allows for real-time analysis and viewing of the impacts that result from playing the game. For example, a low cost sensor system that can be installed in helmets and wirelessly transmit impact data to a computer or smartphone. Imagine if parents could see in real time using their phone the g forces their kids' brains are being exposed to as they play. This would make it a lot harder for parents to send their kids out on the field.

I also hope that we will develop medical technology that makes it easy and affordable to look inside a living person's brain and understand the effects of taking hits in a football game. If parents could spend $20 on a co-pay to run a CTE test on their kid I think a lot of them would do it. This too would make it harder to deny the effects of the game.

Plausible deniability needs to be destroyed to have any hope of stamping out football.

Re: the video posted- The hit at 57 seconds is dead on helmet to helmet.

As always, football is the worst.
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01-09-2014 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
good watch, thanks for the link. Looking forward to next week. Makes me want to be on the field.
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01-09-2014 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by stunna954
I doubt this will be true because the organizations that run each are so vastly different. Boxing was and is very fragmented with no main organization or promotion. The NFL on the other hand is a multibillion dollar company with 32 billion+ dollar owners with huge investments to protect. Much like they already have they will pour money into suppressing a lot of negative news and try and put as many "rules" in place to give the sense they are trying to protect the athlete and the game. There is way too much money in the NFL and NCAA to allow it to happen.
Ding ding ding you just won a brand new car
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01-09-2014 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
Esquire is launching a TV channel. There's a trailer out for a 10 part doc on Texas youth football called Friday Night Tykes




definitely wouldn't mind giving that one coach some sub concussive blows.
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01-09-2014 , 08:52 PM
It'll be like with smoking, where it little by little becomes common knowledge that it's really dangerous. Pretty soon, it'll be "ldo, of course football can **** up a kid's brain".

As with smoking, some people will ignore the health aspects but many more won't. But even the people ignoring it will know the danger.
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01-09-2014 , 09:05 PM
You think someone is going to dare and run a commercial with a kid talking through a hole in his throat from smoking getting brain trauma? That is what worked for smoking.
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01-09-2014 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPoppa
It'll be like with smoking, where it little by little becomes common knowledge that it's really dangerous. Pretty soon, it'll be "ldo, of course football can **** up a kid's brain".

As with smoking, some people will ignore the health aspects but many more won't. But even the people ignoring it will know the danger.
i think it'll be more like boxing, which was once an extremely popular youth sport with high school teams and **** but now is generally only seriously pursued by foreigners and poor people.
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01-09-2014 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by stunna954
No way the NFL lets that air, they'll pull whatever they did to ESPN on that PBS/ESPN concussion special that ESPN ended up abandoning. You will see the NFL threaten every sponsor esquire has.
They can't control everyone.
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01-09-2014 , 11:04 PM
So what happens to football if half the parents in the country decide their kids will not be playing football?
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01-09-2014 , 11:36 PM
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So what happens to football if half the parents in the country decide their kids will not be playing football?
Football turns into boxing and is replaced by something even more violent, like rollerball.
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01-10-2014 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
So what happens to football if half the parents in the country decide their kids will not be playing football?
USA#1 ships the FIFA World Cup sooner than later
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01-10-2014 , 01:09 AM
Those football coaches in that video are insane (def. the one for the Jr. Broncos). How could they treat children as though they are in some military boot camp? It actually made me a bit sick to see 8-9 year old kids get ktfo playing pee-wee football. There were multiple hits that would be illegal in the NFL these days.

EDIT: That hit at 31:50 was dead on helmet-to-helmet. No facemask or anything. Just the crowns of the helmet colliding. Brutal to see that happen to 8 and 9 year olds.

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01-10-2014 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
So what happens to football if half the parents in the country decide their kids will not be playing football?
Won't have much effect. Less JV teams at the high school level. Some smaller college programs may fold but there will still be a ton of great players to fill major college and NFL rosters.
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