you guys

Did you do those awesome % resume rankings for the final week yet?

By my math the vig free price on Oregon to win the whole enchilada is +185. Anyone interested in taking the No side of that bet against me?

Mizz is in the SEC now.

Whether a ranked team is OOC is irrelevant.

For example, in 2015

SEC West team A
Beats
# 4 Auburn
#17 Georgia
# 22 Ole Miss

SEC West team B Beats
#4 Auburn
#17 Georgia Tech
#22 Ole Miss

Is team B better because of a ranked OOC win?

Yes?

Yes, I can envision GB doing this.

This is what happens when you leave us unsupervised, and don't even put someone in charge.

Don't think we should all be in trouble. I think it is mostly AngerPushes fault.. He said he'd take the spanking for all of us..

Did you miss where Deadmoney asked about the OOC schedules of the big 10, so Indiana beating Mizzou came up as the only top 25 OOC win by the either the big 10 or 12 this year?

In my first reply to your post ripping OSU, I was merely pointing out how similar OSU, MSU, and Wisky (in that none of them really beat anyone in the top 25 other than themselves and probably overrated Minnesota), almost exactly to TCU, Baylor, and KState.

If the argument is that Oklahoma, WVU, and OKState are much better middle tier teams then in the big 10, fine I don't agree, but then you might add something about the lack of quality top 50 teams in the big 10 as the true weakness in the conference.

i nominate the other gb

goofball...what you think?

I'm not even sure what this argument is about

That was not my argument. If it was I would have said so. So you need not disagree with an argument I didn't make.

But seeing as you did, you are wrong.

I took the middle four teams in each conference to make sure it was fair.

On a nuetral field...

Oklahoma would be 14 point favourite over Iowa
WVU would be a 10 point favourite over Maryland
Texas would be an 11 point favourite over Rutgers
Oklahoma would be a 5 point favourite over Illinois

The middle of the B12 is better than the middle of the B10. It is not even close.

Do you have any other arguments I didn't make that you want to disagree with?

Thanks for looking that up.

Without even seeing the stats, SMK67:

You thought Iowa/Maryland/Rutgers/Illinois > Oklahoma/WVU/Texas/Oklahoma ST?

WTF?

LOL.

Though I did have some argument on reddit where some guy said Kansas would be a "contender" in the Big Ten. Idiocy can be taken both ways.

JFC. Arctic said:


My point is simply you can insert Baylor in for OSU using his logic, Baylor has only beaten teams that have accomplished nothing except losing against ranked teams. If it's fair to make that argument against OSU, why is not fair to make it for Baylor? And if it's not fair to Baylor, well excuse me if the reason is because the next best teams down the line in the conference are better than they are in the big 10. Is that clear enough? Serious question: What has anyone in the Big12 accomplished?

OK this one is on me, I totally meant to write "I don't disagree" there... I really don't think the middle b1g teams are better than big 12.

Why do keeping lobbing softball questions?

1. First bold. Baylor beat TCU. TCU beat KSU and Minnesota. Both are ranked.
So, you are wrong.
2. You think you can insert Baylor for OSU? They are both one- loss teams. Baylor best win is better than Ohio States. Baylor's loss is better than Ohio State's.

3. What has anyone in the B12 accomplished? You have got to be kidding. The conference almost imploded a couple of years ago. teams were scrambling for the doors.

This year the two marquis B12 teams, Oklahoma and Texas, the teams with nationally recognized programs, the teams that the B12 would live and die by......well they didn't even rank. You would think this would be a train wreck for the B12.

But, despite all that, the B12 has three teams ranked in the top 11. TCU, Baylor, and KSU. WVU had a good team but a brutal schedule, and Oklahoma was ranked for a long time...

So they are not only not dead, but stronger than the B10, ACC and close to the PAC12.

I'll take the PAC12 over the BIG12 all day long just my opinion.

thank you for illuminating us with that insight

So... if Ohio St gets blown the **** out by Bama then LOL @ the committee forever, right?

without a doubt. We will be at an 8 team playoff as soon as the cycle ends as well.

No, what happens after should really make absolutely no difference.

They made their decision with all of the information available to them at the time. They decided that Ohio St was good enough to justify not having to decide between Baylor and TCU. I don't agree with the decision but it's easier to justify to the masses than TCU over Baylor, especially after a 59-0 shellacking in the B1G Championship Game.

Yeah, TCU crushing Ole Miss looks damning to OSU > TCU people, but we have exactly one side of the story. In a separate world we get to see OSU play Ole Miss and have another data point to compare.

No talking head will admit they were wrong.

If Ohio St loses big to Alabama, then people will use that as an argument TCU should've been in.

If OSU wins close vs Bama, then people will use argument that TCU could've done just as well, since they crushed the one team to beat Bama so far.

You can twist the argument however you want but the bottom line is each year is different. What happens in bowls after the rankings are released in 2014 shouldn't really affect your decision-making going forward to an enormous degree when comparing conference strength etc. It should make some difference, mind you, but if Baylor crushes Michigan St and Ohio St loses by 10 to Bama, then next year to use that as "proof" that any close argument for Big XII > B1G is sort of silly.

Or anyone who thought osu should get in for that matter. Just make excuses constantly.

Will be intersting to see who finishes 2 behind TCU.