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09-15-2010 , 05:19 PM

#2076

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I can't see anything there that cannot be changed. Though obv I wouldn't recommend playing in the streets!

Not certain, but I'd imagine that the C'ship is also the richest second division in Europe hence why they might be the best standard. British players are technically light years behind everyone else.

Not behind everyone else. Behind the very top teams, at the top level.

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09-15-2010 , 05:20 PM

#2077

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Why does the whole entire English setup have to change for the national team to win the World Cup? Capello failed to change from a 4-4-2. That ultimately cost England the World Cup. In qualifiers, he experimented with various systems and it worked well. Then he changed back to the failed 4-4-2 system and it failed again.

That sounds pretty delusional to me.

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09-15-2010 , 05:20 PM

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Not behind everyone else. Behind the very top teams, at the top level.

Everyone else. Professional footballers should be able to play with both feet. Not here they can't!

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09-15-2010 , 05:22 PM

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so basically MrPowell, your argument is that English/British players aren't as good as the greatest collection of players as a team to ever grace the international stage.

I am quite confident that it is very unlikely for any team to ever possess one generation that can replicate the skill level that the current spain team has, even from Spains future generations!! so that is probably not the best barometer to use when comparing team levels.

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09-15-2010 , 05:23 PM

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the reason why brazil/argentina/spain and all the other third world nations have best ball control is because they grow up playing keepie-up with tin cans and playing on pitches which go from one side of the slum to the other, so they learn close passing and when they see a football its a piece of piss to get flaire with it.

Also its why flair teams usually have bad defenses, because the players big and strong enough to play in defense are normally recruited by the local gangs to peddle drugs across borders, or beat up shopkeepers for a weekly nut.

where the **** are you from, idiot?

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09-15-2010 , 05:23 PM

#2081

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Everyone else. Professional footballers should be able to play with both feet. Not here they can't!

Tell that to Rivaldo. Not even close to everyone else. Only a handful of countries. They just happen to be the top handful who are keeping England from winning anything. Man I'd love to see all these two footed technical superstars running around lower divisions all around the world.

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09-15-2010 , 05:23 PM

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This debate is pointless because nothing is going to change for a very long time. Well not pointless, but a waste of the time of people involved

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09-15-2010 , 05:24 PM

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where the **** are you from, idiot?

He's levelling

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09-15-2010 , 05:26 PM

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Huh.

My point is British players as a whole (Not just the national team, but domestic players, recreational players etc etc.) are technically useless compared to most other countries.

My point is that British players are taught to play football the wrong way.

My point is that England will never win a world cup if nothing is changed.

My point is that a whole lot needs to be changed.

My point is that British football developers need to be replaced.

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09-15-2010 , 05:27 PM

#2085

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Playing good football >>>> Winning trophies

Lol Dutchaments

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09-15-2010 , 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Tell that to Rivaldo. Not even close to everyone else. Only a handful of countries. They just happen to be the top handful who are keeping England from winning anything. Man I'd love to see all these two footed technical superstars running around lower divisions all around the world.

Lol. Naive.

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09-15-2010 , 05:29 PM

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Capello in 2008/09 experiemented with many formations. 4-2-3-1, 4-4-1-1, 4-5-1 and 4-3-3 were all used.

Seriously, with the batch of players Capello had at his disposal at this World Cup, only making it to the round of 16 is a disgrace. I put it down to tactical and formation fail.

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09-15-2010 , 05:31 PM

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with what frequency have you observe matches in the lower divisions of other countries to make the accurate comparison?

The technically perfect way you think people should play led Spain, before 2010, to never have made the Semi Finals of the World Cup. It led Barcelona, before 2006, to not have won the European cup since 1992. It led arsenal to not having won anything in 5 years. Maybe when Spain/Barcelona havent been so lucky to have a crop like this in the next generation, they wont win a thing again, like Arsenal

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09-15-2010 , 05:32 PM

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with what frequency have you observe matches in the lower divisions of other countries to make the accurate comparison?

The technically perfect way you think people should play led Spain, before 2008, to never have made the Semi Finals of the World Cup. It led Barcelona, before 2006, to not have won the European cup since 1992. It led arsenal to not having won anything in 5 years. Maybe when Spain/Barcelona havent been so lucky to have a crop like this in the next generation, they wont win a thing again!

You're right. We develop football perfectly. No need for change. My mistake.

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09-15-2010 , 05:34 PM

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the FA could care less about improving the technical abilities of young players as they are all too busy riding the premier league gravy train.

if they cared they would be looking for solutions, and changes would already have been made at youth levels, like- non competitve football until the kids are 15/16, better coaching for the coaches and so on.

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09-15-2010 , 05:35 PM

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I agree with all of this.

Except it's couldn't care less.

Until solutions are made, we're never going to be a country capable of developing technically good players.

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09-15-2010 , 05:37 PM

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Lol. Naive.

I have played fotoball in Spain and Holland albeit only briefly and with bunches of randoms so lol sample size. I have also played with lots of foreigners who have moved or were temporarily in the UK. They are not any better than the average recreational player in the UK. Domestic players in lower divisions are absolutely not technically useless compared to most other countries. Unless you mean the top players from the best countries in the world.

Yes you are naive, extremely naive if you think that there are amazing technically gifted footballers littering the lower leagues of foreign countries. There aren't.

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09-15-2010 , 05:38 PM

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Same argument takes place alot within Rugby about the Southern Hemisphere being so much more talented skill wise than the Northern Hemisphere

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09-15-2010 , 05:39 PM

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Foreign countries technical ability > British technical ability

AINEC.

You won't convince me otherwise, because it's fact.

British technical ability = W*NK and needs something done to it.

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09-15-2010 , 05:39 PM

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Yeah same in the GAA.

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09-15-2010 , 05:43 PM

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Foreign countries technical ability > British technical ability

AINEC.

Going to go to Latvia to pick up the next Messi.....

You are completely delusional and wrong about this AINEC and just because you keep repeating it without evidence doesn't make it become true. Your main point is correct, there is something wrong in England systemically in the development of young players compared to the very top handful of countries which they want to be a part of.

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09-15-2010 , 05:44 PM

#2097

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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Look at Wigan vs Chslea and Man United to see what happens when teams try to play expansive football vs superior opposition.

Or Arsenal vs Barca

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09-15-2010 , 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPowell222

Spain National teams technical ability > Queens Park Rangers technical ability

AINEC.

thats pretty much what you are basing your diatribe on. I agree with you pal.

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09-15-2010 , 05:47 PM

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Why are you comparing my point to Messi.

I'm saying, as a nation technically, we're behind Europe. Not just top handful of countries.

I'm not saying our best player < Latvia's best player, technically.

I'm saying as a nation, including kids, teenagers, amateurs, professionals, we are behind. Not just professionals.