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02-23-2011 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnyDays
So you really believe that teams who play 4-3-3 often play with 2 of there 3 midfielders wide on the flanks??
No they play with 2 of their forwards on the flanks, something Sneijder and Stankovic are no experts at.
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02-23-2011 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnyDays
So you really believe that teams who play 4-3-3 often play with 2 of there 3 midfielders wide on the flanks??
No but they often use their FBs to create width and their midfielders to control the center of the field. The point is that 4-3-3 doesn't necessarily mean long balls. For heaven's sake, Barca plays a 4-3-3 type formation.
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02-23-2011 , 03:51 PM
Gustavo playing CM
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02-23-2011 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by derwipok
No they play with 2 of their forwards on the flanks, something Sneijder and Stankovic are no experts at.
you need to read what was said previously cos ambush thinks with 4-3-3, 2 of the 3 midfielders playing wide on the flanks is standard and that playing a narrow/long ball style isn't standard for a 4-3-3 formation.. not talking about the inter/bayern match.. but just about football tactics in general.
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02-23-2011 , 03:53 PM
Nani you cheating bastard
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02-23-2011 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mosdef
No but they often use their FBs to create width and their midfielders to control the center of the field. The point is that 4-3-3 doesn't necessarily mean long balls. For heaven's sake, Barca plays a 4-3-3 type formation.
Yeah but fact is you need to realize Barca use a narrow playing style and formation.. i.e. tell me two prolific wingers for Baca
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02-23-2011 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnyDays
yeah but you need to realize Barca use a narrow playing style and formation.
Narrow in the middle, wide with the forwards.
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02-23-2011 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mosdef
Narrow in the middle, wide with the forwards.
yeah essentially 4-3-3.. with the 3 midfielders xavi/inesita, playing more CM then on the wings which is my point
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02-23-2011 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnyDays
So you really believe that teams who play 4-3-3 often play with 2 of there 3 midfielders wide on the flanks??
No, nor did I ever say that. You are only making my point, Inter aren't playing anyone who would be a forward in a 4-3-3 bar Eto'o yet you expect Cambiasso and Stankovic or Zanetti to provide width in this 4-5-1 and even play as a wide forward when there is a "standard" transition into 4-3-3, which is anything but standard with these players imo.

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Originally Posted by derwipok
No they play with 2 of their forwards on the flanks, something Sneijder and Stankovic are no experts at.
Exactly my point.

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Originally Posted by mosdef
No but they often use their FBs to create width and their midfielders to control the center of the field. The point is that 4-3-3 doesn't necessarily mean long balls. For heaven's sake, Barca plays a 4-3-3 type formation.
Also something which seems clear to everyone but SunnyDays.

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Originally Posted by SunnyDays
you need to read what was said previously cos ambush thinks with 4-3-3, 2 of the 3 midfielders playing wide on the flanks is standard and that playing a narrow/long ball style isn't standard for a 4-3-3 formation.. not talking about the inter/bayern match.. but just about football tactics in general.
YOU need to read what was said. You are completely misinterpreting what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by SunnyDays
Yeah but fact is you need to realize Barca use a narrow playing style and formation.. i.e. tell me two prolific wingers for Baca
While Pedro, Messi(Villa) etc might not be pure old skool wingers, they are plenty capable of playing a wide forward position and providing width up front and they will occasionally go around a fullback. Will Cambiasso?

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Originally Posted by mosdef
Narrow in the middle, wide with the forwards.
Exactly. I never said anything about wide midfielders in a 4-3-3 fwiw.
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02-23-2011 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnyDays
yeah essentially 4-3-3.. with the 3 midfielders xavi/inesita, playing more CM then on the wings which is my point
But that's quite different from:

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If it's 4-3-3.. it's going to be a more narrow, long ball, route one style of football.
which is what people were objecting to.
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02-23-2011 , 04:07 PM
just turned the UTD game on, have they brought their PL away form with them?
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02-23-2011 , 04:08 PM
look distinctly mediocre. pretty crap game so far
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02-23-2011 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mosdef
Certainly seems problematic. Even if Eto'o is comfortable out wide, he can hardly play as a lone striker from a wide position.
Lol, I agreed with this but it seems like he read it too and is trying to prove us wrong ^^
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02-23-2011 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mosdef
But that's quite different from:



which is what people were objecting to.
You obviously need to read better what was said!!#
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02-23-2011 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
look distinctly mediocre. pretty crap game so far
Plenty happening in the Inter/Bayern game now, switch channels :-o
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02-23-2011 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
look distinctly mediocre. pretty crap game so far

we're giving the ball away too cheaply in the midfield. its a very dangerous game that we're playing
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02-23-2011 , 04:12 PM
I've been saying for the past 10 mins.. I previously/first said, 4-3-3 normally means the 3 midfielders play with a more narrow playing style as oppose to on the flanks.

(Nothing was said by me about the strikers positions or anything about todays games.. I was just talking about the midfield as you were aware of)

and you simply replied with..

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Originally Posted by Ambush
First of all I'd like to say I disagree completely with the bolded. 4-3-3 does not necessarily equal that style at all.
So I justifed what I said was correct and what you said was incorrect.
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02-23-2011 , 04:13 PM
that pass from Gibson to Nani might be the highlight of his career
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02-23-2011 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnyDays
I've been saying for the past 10 mins.. I previously/first said, 4-3-3 normally means the 3 midfielders play with a more narrow playing style as oppose to on the flanks.

(Nothing was said by me about the strikers positions or anything about todays games.. I was just talking about the midfield as you were aware of)

and you simply replied with..

~~here I say that 4-3-3 doesn't equal narrow style with long balls~~

So I justifed what I said was correct and what you said was incorrect.
What? How do you ever reach that conclusion?

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Originally Posted by Ambush
It should be the other way around (4-3-3 being 4-5-1 without posession) with actual forwards doing some defensive work instead of playing only defenders, central midfielders and Eto'o and expecting people like Cambiasso to provide width??
This is what i orginally said, after you stated this overly defensive line-up was completely standard and that it would turn into a 4-3-3 when necessary. Obviously that's going to be hard with the personnel, which is what I'm trying to point out here


Then you misinterpret everything I say and you make some crazy assumption about a 4-3-3 being narrow and about longballs:
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Originally Posted by SunnyDays
Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Random.. Cambiasso providing width? How often is a 4-3-3 heavily reliant on the 3 midfielders playing wide on the flanks?? almost never!! If it's 4-3-3.. it's going to be a more narrow, long ball, route one style of football.

After which I replied with this post below explaining how 4-3-3 is not what you think it is and explaining my original statement that this 4-5-1 is not going to smoothly make the transition into 4-3-3 with people like Cambiasso on the flanks:
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Originally Posted by Ambush
First of all I'd like to say I disagree completely with the bolded. 4-3-3 does not necessarily equal that style at all.

Second of all, I was talking about this current line up (which is not a 4-3-3, we agree that much right?) that is expecting width from who exactly? Players like Stankovic, Motta and Cambiasso? Zanetti seems like the only one(except for Eto'o and Maicon) in this line up who seems comfortable out wide but I'd hardly see him doing anything up front.

But we're probably boring everyone so stop twisting my words and stop shifting the goalposts please.
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02-23-2011 , 04:31 PM
Has Maicon been raped in the first half?
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02-23-2011 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ambush
But we're probably boring everyone so stop twisting my words and stop shifting the goalposts please.
Wtffff?? a little bit ironic don't you think. Your the one that keeps editing my posts i.e. with the manuiplation of quotes you used on your previous post and leaving out the relevent parts of my posts ..and now your accusing me of taking what your saying out of context, when all you've done is twist my words to try fight a losing battle, unbelivable! It's very clear what my point is and that it's correct. If you don't understand that by now then theres nothing I can do to help you.

I am done devoting this kinda time to you. So enjoy the game and may you enjoy your night futhermore
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02-23-2011 , 04:33 PM
Nani very much in fud phase (c) kingweed
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02-23-2011 , 04:34 PM
pretty meh first half

CAN'T WAIT for Valencia to return, we desperately need more options.

The middle three have been shocking, its just so painfully obvious that the quality isnt there. This summers transfer window is the most critical for the club that i can remember
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02-23-2011 , 04:35 PM
Damn, Kraft sure made an awesome save on Eto'o
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02-23-2011 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by nevatoomuch9
pretty meh first half

CAN'T WAIT for Valencia to return, we desperately need more options.

The middle three have been shocking, its just so painfully obvious that the quality isnt there. This summers transfer window is the most critical for the club that i can remember
whoa, calm down. we've pretty much bossed the game.
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