are you going to show me where i said my argument proved anything?

i make a point, give some objective evidence that is meant to elucidate it and you make the leap that i am claiming to be right just b/c i used some #'s


edit: i explicitly agreed w/you that it could just be variance so idk why you are blowing up like idk what sample size is or something

Serious Braylon business ITT

i think every player does which makes me wonder about what a drop means. anything that can reasonably expected to be caught should be a drop imo. i'm guessing this stat would differ from person to person tracking it over an entire season..

he is arguing that nothing that has been stated has any statistical significance, but idk why he's saying that when no one thought it did. he just doesn't like the fact that i used #'s that don't account for an adequate sample size (post 104).

my point was not that braylon edwards' career proves that weaker qb's cause lower catch rates. i had already accepted the notion that qb play affects catch rate as fact. post 104 was supposed to show that his qbs were worse in '08 than any other season*. maybe i should have just left the catch rates out

edit: *w/the overall point being that he is probably a valuable player

ya every play does. scorers are very forgiving. its pretty much a useless stat.

Too much Edwards hate ITT imo. He runs very good routes and is a deep threat. For someone to have that many drops, he has to be open a bit.
And anyone who complains about his lack of production this year hasn't watched many Browns games. Teams pretty much double covered him all day long.

The Jets bring a sick D to the table and have a good running game and thus can pound the ball more (the Browns wanted/want to do this but you don't have to respect it nearly as much).
I expect to see Edwards catching play-action passes a lot. I think his bad hands are blown out of proportion btw. I think motivation is much more of an issue

So, when teams double team you, that means you should have 0 catches in a 5 quarter game against the Bengals? Or 10 catches for 140 yards in 4 games? Tons of WR's get double teamed, they still find ways to catch passes.

It's pretty much impossible to see how many real drops a guy has in comparison to others, but I watch a crapload of football, and don't think I've ever seen a #1 drop as many passes as Braylon does. TO is close, but Braylon is pretty bad.

I like signing Garcia a whole lot more than the Edwards Trade. The only question is how many weeks would it take a veteran like him to get comfortable with a truncated playbook? Ability wise, he is so much better than KC.

thread demonstrates don't drink and SE

lolololol just read that Bart Scott put up a picture of LeBron in Braylon's locker upon arriving

and boxing gloves

LOL

this thread is nothing without kissing suzy kolber

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/...e-new-guy.html

Round 1- Braylon circles the ring, evading and grasping Lebron after missed haymakers. Lebron does land one good shot to the midsection, as Braylon, stunned and gasping for air, takes an immediate knee. Ref counts to eight. Braylon stands, yelling "he hit my dodads!" Braylon dances along the ropes, evading Tyson-like shots until the bell.

Round 2- Lebron takes corners advice and lands a few good jabs. Braylon backs to corner and Lebron lands his first clean right hook. Braylon rolls out of the ring on a count of one. He points and yells, skipping, all the way back to the locker room, washes his face in the sink, cries and washes again. Collects himself, looks in the mirror, smiles, and says "I won that fight," believing it.
Lebron by TKO round 2.

was is it really that obvious? i don't think i made any typos or anything

blowing up spots ITT

the 'that you are all terrible at arguing' was a giveaway, because i can't imagine someone saying that to tarheeljks while sober. also i drink and post pretty much in the same fashion (though i've not done it in some time) - typos are for noob internet drunks

i guess it's been a while since i've been in se regularly because i just assumed phildo was always like that

Two rounds? LeBron has 5 inches and 50 pounds on him. I'll take the under.

whatever man i'm the 27th best poster in se

This is very true.

He was targeted a total of 5 times in these 5 quarters and well covered. The fact that he was focused on lead to Mohamed Massaquoi's big day. He had 6,7,5,5 targets in the games so far and as I said was usually focused on by the defense (I'm not positive but I think he has no dropped pass so far; at most one). He also suffered from a TD being wrongly called back etc.

I'm not saying he's the most awesome receiver ever but he certainly gets a worse rep than he should imo.

0 catches is pretty weak, but if they were doubling him then its not surprising. also the bengals secondary is far from a joke, its actually pretty good

again, qb has a lot to do with this. quinn wasn't exactly looking downfield very often. also plenty of better receivers dont have very impressive receiving stats either

fitz: 17/181
boldin: 16/171
roddy white: 15/119
steve smith: 15/190

thats really not true. the best of the best can still find ways occasionally, but if you put 2 guys on any receiver for the entire game, hes not gonna do much

when announcers say a receiver "disappeared" its bc he was getting double teamed

Or Darelle Revis is covering him.


But back to the topic, I do like the trade. Stuckey would never be anything more then a poor man Jerricho Cotchery, and why I did like Stuckey, it was worth moving up. Trusnik was a good STer, but I fully believe they can replace him. I'm fine with the draft picks.

Braylon, with his drops, is still a threat on the field, He's tall, fast, and poses a challenge. Teams number 1's won't be able to line up against Cotchery, which will free him up. Safeties will have to play off the LOS, meaning LBers will be matching up against Keller, which is a HUGE mismatch, and will free him up over the middle more.

Just by adding him it makes the offense be able to spread its self a bit, and eases the pressure of Sanchez.

Spot on imo