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11-29-2008 , 08:00 PM

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charder30

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what about games V. other BCS conferences?

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11-29-2008 , 08:00 PM

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doesnt make them better, im comparing actual games that actually happened, just because X team is 1 point dogs to Y team, doesn't mean Y team is better or there conference is better. The fact is on the field ACC has done better overall and take out and UF/Bama, the SEC is the big east.

Sample size....

I find this argument interesting from an ACC homer whose team is the worst in the league. Justifying his team's performance, perhaps?

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11-29-2008 , 08:02 PM

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Look at the Sagarin #'s, the difference in the middle isn't as big as you are claiming. The difference at the top is HUGE though.

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11-29-2008 , 08:04 PM

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hmmm maryland is about to go to 4-4 in the ACC. with 4 wins over top 25 teams (first team in the nation to do that, i think UF and another team may have gotten 4). And they would thrash Any team not in the top 4 of the sec, so what does that say about the SEC?

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11-29-2008 , 08:04 PM

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there are not enough cross conference games to know the answer when the differences are this small

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11-29-2008 , 08:05 PM

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And of course it's convenient for an ACC homer to say "take out UF/Bama" because those teams are FAR better than ANY team in the ACC. The ACC hasn't had a contender in a long time.

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11-29-2008 , 08:06 PM

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rofl the sagarin ratings have the ACC has the highest rated conference FFS.

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11-29-2008 , 08:08 PM

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rofl the sagarin ratings have the ACC has the highest rated conference FFS.

that is a ROFL

it speaks to the methodology of using an average or geometric mean

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11-29-2008 , 08:08 PM

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Look at the Sagarin #'s, the difference in the middle isn't as big as you are claiming. The difference at the top is HUGE though.

I did. In the case where you only look at the middle 8 in each conference, the ACC is 0.4 point favorite on average and a favorite in 35 out of 64 match-ups. So yeah, the middle of the SEC isn't as good as the middle of the ACC, but the best of the SEC more than makes up for the worst.

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11-29-2008 , 08:09 PM

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that is a ROFL

it speaks to the methodology of using an average or geometric mean

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11-29-2008 , 08:10 PM

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oh i c, sec homers only use sagarin ratings when they help there argument, ahhhh

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11-29-2008 , 08:11 PM

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rofl the sagarin ratings have the ACC has the highest rated conference FFS.

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that is a ROFL

it speaks to the methodology of using an average or geometric mean

That, and it uses RATING, as opposed to PREDICTOR.

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11-29-2008 , 08:12 PM

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I love how anyone who disagrees with anti SEC stuff is an "SEC Homer," even if we don't root for an SEC team.

I said it was close, but I think having two top 5 teams and being way better at the top is better than being deeper in the middle. You can't except anything less than BOOOM ACC>>>>SEC, but you're wrong.

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11-29-2008 , 08:12 PM

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oh i c, sec homers only use sagarin ratings when they help there argument, ahhhh

Yeah, using the whole conference is far inferior to only using 2/3 of the teams.

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11-29-2008 , 08:16 PM

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look @ the central average, the ACC is still ahead of the SEC and that includes ever team weighted equally

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11-29-2008 , 08:17 PM

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not only is it deeper in the middle its wayyy better @ the bottom. 4 teams are below the ACC worst teams according to sagarin.

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11-29-2008 , 08:19 PM

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not only is it deeper in the middle its wayyy better @ the bottom. 4 teams are below the ACC worst teams according to sagarin.

Predictor was already posted in this thread, and disagrees with you:

SEC: 2, 8, 17, 18, 30, 33, 47, 48, 57, 63, 85, 103
ACC: 19, 20, 22, 27, 28, 31, 32, 40, 55, 58, 68, 71

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11-29-2008 , 08:23 PM

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Predictor was already posted in this thread, and disagrees with you:

SEC: 2, 8, 17, 18, 30, 33, 47, 48, 57, 63, 85, 103
ACC: 19, 20, 22, 27, 28, 31, 32, 40, 55, 58, 68, 71

NC state's sagarin rating is 73.43 (worst in the ACC going into today)

Auburn, Tenn, Arkansas, and Miss St. All have worse ratings.

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11-29-2008 , 08:32 PM

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some people need to actually read the op and not just the title.

ops whole discussion is about how the sec is nothing outside bama and florida and that "like 8 acc teams could finish in the top 4 in the sec".

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11-29-2008 , 08:34 PM

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1. My first post responds to that.

2. Read the title, and then wonder why the thread has gone where it's gone

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11-29-2008 , 08:35 PM

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According to PREDICTOR, no ACC team is in the top 4 of the SEC.

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11-29-2008 , 08:35 PM

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I don't know how one can say definitely that one is better than the other

and I swallow the SEC when I can

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11-29-2008 , 08:36 PM

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someone want to explain why the predictor is different then the ratings? i dont understand, are you sure you have those #'s right?

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11-29-2008 , 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise

I don't know how one can say definitely that one is better than the other

and I swallow the SEC when I can

This is where I'm at, but with a gun to my head I'd say SEC because the top is so much better.

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11-29-2008 , 08:38 PM

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This is where I'm at, but with a gun to my head I'd say SEC because the top is so much better.

agree

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