Do you?

Last time I checked AZ was not a member of the confederacy, nor was the Southwest culturally similar at all to the South.

Or do you think SoCal is part of the South too? Trying to see what level of ****** we're dealing with here.

Looks like the New Orleans bowl sniped Tulane before the Sugar Bowl could get their greasy paws on the mighty Green Wave.

To be fair to the SEC, the notion of their dominance was formed before Tenn, Florida, and Auburn all briefly employed awful coaches who kinda (at least in the short term, lol Gene) made their teams horrible right as TAMU and Missouri joined up. (and half of Georgia's team died). They're maybe closer to the also rans people they were suspected to have been if a bunch of the classic power programs don't implode at the same time.

And yet Nebraska seemed to get worse as soon as they joined the Big 10. Are we sure the Big 10 isn't >> the SEC? I'm interested to see if Maryland and Rutgers get worse when they join the Big 10 next year and whether such a thing is even possible.

No, it's not. Over the past 5 or so years the SEC's bowl tie-ins with the B1G have given them an edge in the bowl record. If they were historically linked to the Pac 12, things would be different in terms of pure W-L record. The gap looks bigger than it is because their upcycle has hit the same time as a Big Ten downcycle but it's not like the bowls are gonna jettison decades of history to re-align to the power rankings of today.


Big Ten teams travel at least as well, if not better, than SEC teams. The ACC and the Pac 12 are the weaker conferences in that respect. There's a reason that the B1G gets two BCS bids every year.

The last bowl OSU lost was played a 2 hour drive away from Gainesville. There are some great traveling fanbases in the SEC, no doubt, but there were plenty of members of Gator Nation that didn't need to be much of a diehard to travel from their house, where they live in Jacksonville, down to Everbank Field, also located in Jacksonville.

LSU has played in the Sugar Bowl 3 times in the past 6 or 7 years. That **** is a home game.

But not true of USC in the Rose Bowl, right?

Nebraska spent its last two years before joining the vastly inferior Big Ten losing in the Big 12 championship game by 1 and 3 points. And they really should've won the first one of those, that was the clock management game where Texas got time added on.

Definitely true in the Rose Bowl. You ever check out USC's record in Pasadena? It's really impressive!

Just a little trip back into the hazy past of 2011 recruiting

Scholarship Offers by SEC schools, prominent college quarterbacks:

Braxton Miller: 5 (Bama, UF, UGA, UT, UK)
Johnny Manziel: 0 (...)

One of these guys is SO OBVIOUSLY GREAT that he can turn a middling Big 12 team into a SEC contender, the other one is so obviously outclassed it is an UNAMERICAN OUTRAGE if he was allowed to play in a championship game ahead of a SEC team.

The 3 traditional powers in the east are Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee. Those 3 have won every single East title ever except for 1 that South Carolina managed just recently.

Vanderbilt went 3-0 against that group for the first time ever in school history.

The SEC East is historically weak right now.

Florida just had the worst season they've had in 35 years. Tennessee is in the midst of their worst stretch in program history. Georgia was easily the best team on paper and was ravaged by injuries.

Missouri had quite a lot of success in the Big 12 North which was the clearly inferior division to the South.

It's highly likely that Missouri is not going to be a perineal power in the SEC and this was a one year thang.

ITT we learn that 7 straight national titles were the result of media bias.

This thread much better with Fly doing work instead of MR CAPS LOCK.

Is the lesson here that if Braxton had gone to even an otherwise mid-tier SEC school he'd now be the GOAT?

You said the south, not the confederacy. There is no confederacy. Try to understand that. Grouping every person in the southeast together and calling us all stupid bigots is incredibly ironic.

Fly is seriously using JFF's offer list in high school as evidence that the SEC is overrated.

Really wordy way of saying online poker is rigged

I honestly do not understand your point. Are you arguing that Manziel being lightly recruited proves that he sucks, and that his success in the SEC must be attributable to the weakness of the conference? Or are you arguing that the Big 10 doesn't suck because a player on the best team in the Big 10 was recruited by several teams in the SEC?

I think it's fair to say that in an alternate universe where Braxton's academic credentials weren't up to the Ohio State standard and he ended up at Tennessee, the Heisman trophy would be called the Miller.

I mean the entire CFB voting establishment did I say online poker my bad

I'm arguing that football is a lot more complicated than "SEC #1, every other conference sucks, Auburn deserves a shot becasuse crystalfootballs.jpg"

Have not seen a resident of SEC country demonstrate anything but a misguided, almost biblical belief in their conference's superiority. When, if not heading toward Appomattox, they should at least recognize that the tide, so to speak, has turned.

Which specific "explicit conflicts of interest" are present in the coaches' poll? Coaches coaching multiple teams?

LOL yeah there's also that thing where hillbillies all have a chip on their shoulder because the rest of the country views their region as American's embarrassing drunk uncle.

Amusing to me that the overwhelming topic of discussion is how good/bad the B1G10/SEC are, yet no one bothers to bring up the ACC's 3-13 record in BCS games.

The three wins? Virginia Tech over Cincinnati in 2009, and Florida State over Northern Illinois last year and Virginia Tech in 1999, a loss that embarrassed Virginia Tech so much that they relegated themselves to joining the ACC themselves.

The ACC is, and always has been, a complete joke. If OSU beats Sparty, they are going to smoke FSU.

jvs

The only time so called SEC homers get defensive is when you attack their individual teams' records, which inevitably circles back to a defense of the conference as a whole. On an individual level, SEC fans by and large hate other SEC teams.