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02-19-2011 , 04:03 PM
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For our second pick (which Vic will hate),
nope, def dont hate. better than miller imo.
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02-19-2011 , 04:05 PM
McHale was #1 on our big board, but in the end injuries and lack of minutes did him in. That and I didn't want two players who's offensive skills overlapped.

BPA I think though.

Debo is going to wonder why I we don't have McHale when he logs in btw.

Our big board was Pierce/Ray/Reggie with McHale #1
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02-19-2011 , 04:05 PM
so many picks sniped
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02-19-2011 , 04:05 PM
drexler: imo, he is just one of a dozen or so SGs who are in the mix now. i don't believe him to necessarily be head and shoulders above the rest of those guys. there is a lot of "fit" going on right now.

reggie + rayray: i almost took allen last round, but assani and bobbo lol'ed at me, thinking it was 20-30 picks too soon i guess. it was, probably (i mean, when you look at durant v allen.. i love allen... but durant is just another level). once reggie went i knew allen would go. they are two of a kind, sorta. i think allen > reggie but i don't have a lot of info to back that up, just some time browsing their bref pages. anyways, they both seem like reaches-- BUT, i think justifiable reaches in a format where specialists are important.
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02-19-2011 , 04:05 PM
Ray and Miller were 1&2 on our board
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02-19-2011 , 04:07 PM
I figure we've got a 10yr window or so before either of them start breaking down. But it's going to be a sick, sick 10 yrs.
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02-19-2011 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by aejones
drexler: imo, he is just one of a dozen or so SGs who are in the mix now. i don't believe him to necessarily be head and shoulders above the rest of those guys. there is a lot of "fit" going on right now.

reggie + rayray: i almost took allen last round, but assani and bobbo lol'ed at me, thinking it was 20-30 picks too soon i guess. it was, probably (i mean, when you look at durant v allen.. i love allen... but durant is just another level). once reggie went i knew allen would go. they are two of a kind, sorta. i think allen > reggie but i don't have a lot of info to back that up, just some time browsing their bref pages. anyways, they both seem like reaches-- BUT, i think justifiable reaches in a format where specialists are important.
When you consider that Ray is guaranteed at least 40k minutes in this format and Durant isn't a lock to stay healthy, I would have liked the Ray Allen pick better for you. You should have ignored Bobani.
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02-19-2011 , 04:17 PM
Drexler is the guy I really really wanted with Magic. Love that pairing
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02-19-2011 , 04:18 PM
McHale/Shack is the early favorite
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02-19-2011 , 04:20 PM
2nd round, pick 48, Cardsman selects

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Amare Stoudemire.

Admittedly a bit of a risk due to a couple of injury issues, you can't argue with his production.

Will get up and down the floor nicely with KAJ, will utilize him at the PF position, and has proven his worth in an uptempo system.

22.7 PER (24th all time) with 27% usage, and .18 WS per 48, ORTG vs DRTG solid at 114/105. Led league in OWS with 11.3 in 2004-2005 and had another season at 10.9.

TS% is very solid at .602, led league with .656 in 2007-2008.

I'm going to get 22 and 9, along with reliability at the stripe (unlike some other bigs), and I don't worry about him clogging the lane with KAJ as he can step out a little bit, maybe not to the 3 pt line but far enough.

Need another decent rebounder to offset the dominance of some of the other rebounding tandems selected so far.

Production has been steady with the exception of the year he missed due to injury. If he's hit his ceiling, it's sure a nice, high, one, and I'll take his production for another 10 years...

Team Cardsman

Kareem Abdul Jabbar C
Amare Stoudemire PF
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02-19-2011 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bitchface
When you consider that Ray is guaranteed at least 40k minutes in this format and Durant isn't a lock to stay healthy, I would have liked the Ray Allen pick better for you. You should have ignored Bobani.
i think with durant's current level of health though any reasonable projection would have him at a similar level of health.

looking at ray allen's second and third season vs durant's second and third season in terms of production-- durant is able to shoulder 7.5% higher usage, play 5 more minutes a game, AND do it more efficiently. i doubt anyone argues allen > durant in this format tbh (assuming you use reasonable logic on health projections-- allen missed 25 games a couple times, i would imagine that durant is a favorite to be as healthy as him).
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02-19-2011 , 04:23 PM
o man
u gonna get yelled at
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02-19-2011 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by aejones
drexler: imo, he is just one of a dozen or so SGs who are in the mix now. i don't believe him to necessarily be head and shoulders above the rest of those guys. there is a lot of "fit" going on right now.

reggie + rayray: i almost took allen last round, but assani and bobbo lol'ed at me, thinking it was 20-30 picks too soon i guess. it was, probably (i mean, when you look at durant v allen.. i love allen... but durant is just another level). once reggie went i knew allen would go. they are two of a kind, sorta. i think allen > reggie but i don't have a lot of info to back that up, just some time browsing their bref pages. anyways, they both seem like reaches-- BUT, i think justifiable reaches in a format where specialists are important.
in general, i think ppl should just let each other pick. def dont like that bobbo and assani seem to tell you who to pick.

i did offer a consultation to twigley but that was bc he expressed dismay about missing out payton and i had a similar player in mind.
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02-19-2011 , 04:29 PM
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i would imagine that durant is a favorite to be as healthy as him
I strongly disagree. There's also the issue of knowing for sure that Ray Allen is basically unaffected by quality defenders (even elevating his game in the playoffs during his prime) and we can't say the same for Durant with much conviction yet.
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02-19-2011 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
in general, i think ppl should just let each other pick. def dont like that bobbo and assani seem to tell you who to pick.

i did offer a consultation to twigley but that was bc he expressed dismay about missing out payton and i had a similar player in mind.
i did not mean to imply they were in some way hindering my draft, but they almost certainly both know more than i do (especially with regards to numbers, player comparisons, etc) so i am all ears to their suggestions. the only reason i bring it up is perhaps bobbo will tell us in the thread why he thought it was a little too early for allen. had zo lasted a few more picks (to the beginning of the 3rd) i would have just mortgaged the farm and traded up for him.
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02-19-2011 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by aejones
i think with durant's current level of health though any reasonable projection would have him at a similar level of health.

looking at ray allen's second and third season vs durant's second and third season in terms of production-- durant is able to shoulder 7.5% higher usage, play 5 more minutes a game, AND do it more efficiently. i doubt anyone argues allen > durant in this format tbh (assuming you use reasonable logic on health projections-- allen missed 25 games a couple times, i would imagine that durant is a favorite to be as healthy as him).
I don't see how every healthy player in the nba today can be "reasonably projected" to play as long as someone like ray, who is 67th in nba history in games played and much higher in # of seasons played...every 3rd year healthy top player isn't going to be an all-star in their 14th season...
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02-19-2011 , 04:37 PM
I considered Amar''''''''''e to pair with Shaq. I didn't think it worked very well in PHO, even though Shaq was past his prime, so I went with McHale.
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02-19-2011 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
I don't see how every healthy player in the nba today can be "reasonably projected" to play as long as someone like ray, who is 67th in nba history in games played and much higher in # of seasons played...every 3rd year healthy top player isn't going to be an all-star in their 14th season...
This
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02-19-2011 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bowens
I considered Amar''''''''''e to pair with Shaq. I didn't think it worked very well in PHO, even though Shaq was past his prime, so I went with McHale.
wise choice imo, there are still several pfs I like over amare
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02-19-2011 , 04:44 PM
mchale is a steal obv, hilarious that he dropped this far. if zo wasn't avaliable at my pick i woulda snapped him up
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02-19-2011 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mjw0586
Ben's lack of offense hurts, but it's not what makes that pick bad. Ben's first three years in this are basically useless. His fourth year is nothing special. You're getting a really late start to go with a guy who doesn't have a long career in Magic.
brilliant point too, didnt even think about this
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02-19-2011 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bitchface
I strongly disagree. There's also the issue of knowing for sure that Ray Allen is basically unaffected by quality defenders (even elevating his game in the playoffs during his prime) and we can't say the same for Durant with much conviction yet.
agree, durant gets owned by elite defenders moar than any "elite" player that i ever have seen.
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02-19-2011 , 04:47 PM
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I considered Amar''''''''''e to pair with Shaq. I didn't think it worked very well in PHO, even though Shaq was past his prime, so I went with McHale.
Would you agree that Shaq's game and KAJ's are different, and that Shaq was probably at the wrong point in his career to be able to be utilized most effectively in PHX system?
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02-19-2011 , 04:48 PM
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Bobbo trying to put the big 4 together for their careers?
Undrafted third wheel of "the big 3" will *probably* go to soon, so I'm not planning on it. But... I am in the market for a SG.
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02-19-2011 , 04:48 PM
Additionally, Amare came into the league young and I might be able to get a couple of extra years to offset the year lost by injury (ie he may be able to play 18 seasons vs 16 had he come into the league at 22).
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