oh your right we changed it to a one year draft. My bad.

Swen Nater has a higher career TS% and is a much better defender. Love is better on offense sure but Nater is every bit the rebounder Love is.

Its funny how bobbo and Assani love to bring up how X can't be a great defender if X's team was really bad at defense. Well then you look at Minnesota and draw a blank I guess? How awful is Love at defense? Minnesota is historically bad.

nah, and to be honest yours is toying with the bottom too.

yeah his front court is good, but he is reallyreally lacking in athleticism.

that said, i'll obviously defer to the experts here. y'all study this **** i only watch it. take bobbo's team...i think the kg/pierce combo means his team would never be 'bad', but i don't know enough about/never seen basically the rest of his team, so i'd be likely to rank it lower.

he obviously doesn't give a ****, but from just a regular fan's perspective (versus superfans or whatever) his team isn't as eye-popping too.

i'm feeling a little lazy and still want to keep staring at the teams paper i ran off today (proctoring ogt's is borrrrring but i can get away with staring at a piece of paper here and there) and i'll probably post my thoughts tomorrow or friday but a) no one cares what i think, and b) 100% chance feelings get hurt.

is there any consensus 'bottom 5' team? loosekanen? nicholas? it's just so easy to say 'how can a team with 'nique/deron or stockton/chief be bottom 5??' but there has to be 5 teams that fit that bill right?

wrt the ehlo pick. yeah. i know. i was in a hurry and saw decent d and meh o. he would most def anchor the 12th man spot.

any team you say is bottom 5 will be flamed. Guaranteed.

id say the best way is to just rank players by there positions.

malone is arguably the best pf of all time. at worst hes gonna match up and be a very slight dog to the guys who may be preferred like duncan and kg.

gasol is gonna bea first tier center. he gets crushed by shaq, hakeem, drob, kaj, wilt, moses, dwight. his midrange game will allow him to be somewhat effective offensively, but obv most of those guys will dominate him.

but thats gonna be a very good frontcourt that dominates the lesser ones and hangs with all the rest.

the challenge is how you rank ric barry adjusted for era. he played a long time and scored a ton of points and was efficient for his era. he was known for his scoring but his rebounding and assist numbers are very good for a 3. i think he can put in the upper middle tier of wings in this draft.

and that should be plenty to rank that team well away from the bottom five.

obv.

bolded is what i'm having the most difficulty with. i just can't believe all the old white guys could be as good now.

that said, if you look at a team, there's going to be a way to justify a non-bottom 5 ranking for ALL of them. this isn't the ncaa tourney, every single team has HOFers/2 dominant players.

victor, give me ONE team that should be bottom 5.

imo, you cant justify a bottom 5 ranking for a team with the goat power forward. thats how basketball works. you esp should understand this. the presence of a single talent is enough to legitimize a team.

these players simply cant be ona bottom five team: labron, jordan, shaq, kaj, wilt, hakeem, drob, barkley, malone, malone, garnett, duncan, magic, bird, dwight.

poisoneye, iggy?(dependent on blake obv), my team, dye, elrey, loosekanen, waterwalker, nicholas all are in contention.

bitchface will assuredly be bottom five for a few years due to the injury/crazyperson tendencies of a his players.

im deff bottom 1/3 of rankings, but ewing+kidd keep me out of bottom 5.

im leaning that way after thinking a bit more. yours is proly the best of that bunch. ewing is underrated.

i'd probably put him top 5, shows what i know.

sounds like you're hoping more than stating.

there are a few years that line up pretty sweet for that team. the rules of this draft were kinda weird. you get a players production for that year of their career. so if a player goated up year 3, then you should hope the rest of your team played well in their year 3s. if a player broke his foot and missed the 2nd half the year, then you dont get him.

fwiw, wes unseld was mvp as a rookie!!!

Shaq gonna roll over dudes in this.

Victor, FYI: your team's in the bottom third easily...and most likely bottom 5

minnesota is only 26th of 30 this year... hey charder, i recommend learning what "historically X" means.

ya dont care how others view my team, id bet on them vs nearly any other team in this, but that hypothetical is impossible/silly, so, have whatever opinion yu want. im proud of my guys

ok cool, got me. Didn't comment on my actual post though!

thats the beauty. You don't adjust for era in this format. At least thats what i understood to be the rules.

I didn't see a question, I saw a declarative statement disguised as a question with a question mark at the end:

For example, "How awful is Christian at posting?". This is an opinion that already has heavy bias set in. Because we, the viewers, are reading that to mean you're already awful.

Unfortunately we don't have bref for posters, so we can't see your offensive and defensive splits, so I guess it would have more merit if you were 26th of 30th in terms of post efficiency or something like that.

Anyway, I digress. Kevin Love isn't awful at defense. Below average, yes, subpar help defender, sure, doesn't leave his feet often enough and perhaps goes for the board at the expense of rotations, sure, but sum it all up and he's not really the problem with Minnesota. He's a part of the solution.

when was this a discussion?