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02-25-2011 , 11:11 PM

#3801

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Eric Gordon won't be nearly as good against top players every night as he is in real life. Neither will Rice I guess but he's still gonna hit the threes he was drafted to hit. I'm pretty surprised Gordon went this early.

I really don't mind the John Wall gamble btw. I happen to think he has a high bust potential but it was still worth a shot for Vix.

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02-25-2011 , 11:17 PM

#3802

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Originally Posted by Victor

gordon has a much higher ceiling. that rice is guaranteed production is why they went around the same time.

What do you think Gordon's ceiling is?

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02-25-2011 , 11:20 PM

#3803

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perennial top 15 player in the league

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02-25-2011 , 11:22 PM

#3804

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this is the way I view it. Picking eric gordon where you did is pretty much saying you think eric gordan will be a top 150 player of alltime (im sure you know that)

Im not saying thats right or wrong. When evaluating the remaining players they got to where they are in this draft b/c they were come off the bench allstar calibre's or 3rd or 4th team all NBA types.

I think Gordon fits that mold pretty well. but most would think you get him later.

He probably has longevity going his way. I like better than the baron davis pick since i think gordon will have a better career.

The blake griffin picks seems ridiculous just b/c hes missed more games than he played. I dont think he has a GOAT ceiling but a shawn kemp with longevity ceiling.

Not sure if gilbert arenas was picked yet but dont like that either. He has a 3-4 primo years. but lots of injury and no apparant upside.

I do notice a small trend here of picking up specialists. A guy who hit shots, an excellent one on one defender, a great rebounder, a guy that provides size, a guy whos just versatile. seem to get a lot of those types

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02-25-2011 , 11:27 PM

#3805

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perennial top 15 player in the league

i thought more like perrenial top 25-35 player in the league. but maybe thats b/c the league is so good right now and theres a lot of players soon to be leaving their primes and he will take their place.

Im looking at the kobes pierces, KGs, nashs, joe johnsons but once those guys leave the new guard comes in. But i just dont see gordon being better than any of those guys in terms of league rankings.

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02-25-2011 , 11:34 PM

#3806

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perennial top 15 player in the league

seriously?

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02-25-2011 , 11:38 PM

#3807

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thats a good writeup above. convinced me that gordon proly a poor pick from a philosophical standpoint.

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gordon is already better than joe johnson. and ya mebbe its too high, but some slots are opening and if gordon can stay healthy i think he improves his game a bit to be more efficient and he already is decently so.

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02-25-2011 , 11:51 PM

#3808

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I have a feeling there are a ton of players that had Gordon's career arc after 3 years that ended up falling flat on their face. There is one person who specifically comes to mind.

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02-25-2011 , 11:53 PM

#3809

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To be fair, he's only 21. This year he's been asked to shoulder a much larger load and has improved his assist and t/o percentages. To do that while maintaining his efficiency scoring the ball (obviously his biggest weapon) says a lot about where he's headed. I'd be shocked if he didn't keep improving...

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02-25-2011 , 11:54 PM

#3810

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gordon already > joe johnson by most people's rankings imo

anyway the thing about specialists is valid, and that's the way it should be in this draft. when you have jordan, lebron, shaq you don't need guys who can create decent offense for themselves, guys who can score efficiently and defend become more valuable

joe johnson is a good example of a guy who's skillset is heavily devalued because he's not that efficient at anything in particular

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02-25-2011 , 11:54 PM

#3811

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I'm back, pick and writeup forthcoming, let me make last reevalutations.

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02-25-2011 , 11:55 PM

#3812

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And his 21.1 PER is impressive for a guard. Something a guy like Joe Johnson has never sniffed.

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02-25-2011 , 11:56 PM

#3813

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I have a feeling there are a ton of players that had Gordon's career arc after 3 years that ended up falling flat on their face. There is one person who specifically comes to mind.

Gilbert Arenas?

As of now i think gordon's career is on a mitch richmond type path. so if richmond was considered okay pick then i think gordon is fine actually. actually maybe a darkhorse type of steal. but b/c he was a darkhorse you might be able to wait an extra rd. but im gonna say good pick.

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02-25-2011 , 11:57 PM

#3814

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Whoops, my bad, he just turned 22 in December... still...

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02-26-2011 , 12:01 AM

#3815

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PM sent. Don't want to name undrafteds

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02-26-2011 , 12:03 AM

#3816

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I have a feeling there are a ton of players that had Gordon's career arc after 3 years that ended up falling flat on their face. There is one person who specifically comes to mind.

just say it, if he fell on his face then he wont get drafted anyway.

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02-26-2011 , 12:04 AM

#3817

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Originally Posted by McBeef

thats what i was thinking. I put a premium on size. I didnt really care if i was passing on the best available player if it was at 1/2/3 bc i got hardaway/kobe/havlicek. I want guys who can fill one specific weakness in my team. rebounding/size/unselfishness/spacing/etc. and longevity im building for a one final run at the end. i realize my team is probably not gonna win in years 1-12.

since im talking about stategy

Another strategy approach tho was just stealing a bunch short prime great players.

think of the lineup you could have with those types:

kevin johnson
tracy mcgrady
???????
willis reed
Yao ming

there could be a better one thats just off the top of my head.

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02-26-2011 , 12:05 AM

#3818

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best of luck and don't miss St Elmo's

Yeah, for the shrimp cocktail I suppose, but the best steak in town is at Mo's by Conseco Fieldhouse. You won't be disappointed.

PS, Bobbo--you're in Carmel, I'm in Brownsburg, (don't know where loose is), BBurg is like 10 o'clock on the dial as opposed to 12 o'clock where you are.

Hope you enjoy your stay.

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02-26-2011 , 12:09 AM

#3819

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thing is gordon's efficiency looks to be higher than richmonds by a significant margin already, he's aving 24ppg this yr as a 22yo and his lowest ts was last yr at 57%. in 14 years richmond's ts% was >57% 3 times (.557 career ave), gordon is .584 ts% already (3/3 >.57ts% + similarish %s from 3, but like 30% more volume

barring serious injury i honestly think he's gonna have a really really nice career. those efficiency numbers from a sg are super good. i don't really have an opinion on his d, but his counterpart stats are ~14 PER and 17% inside fg which is also good http://www.82games.com/1011/10LAC5.HTM

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02-26-2011 , 12:27 AM

#3820

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just say it, if he fell on his face then he wont get drafted anyway.

yeah he aint getting drafted. unless keith van horn's mom is in this draft.

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02-26-2011 , 12:28 AM

#3821

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I thought you guys were talking about Steve Francis.

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02-26-2011 , 12:31 AM

#3822

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stevie franchise

i remember he said god didnt want him to play for the team that drafted him

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02-26-2011 , 12:35 AM

#3823

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i thought it was gilbert arenas. steve franchise makes a lot of sense tho

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02-26-2011 , 12:35 AM

#3824

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As badly as I hate to do it....

Round 6, pick 145, cardsman selects

Spoiler:

Derek Harper, G

2X NBA all defense
3800 career minutes in 1200 games
nearly 2000 career steals, 14th on the career list, with 3 seasons in the top ten, and 27th all time in steals percentage, 34th all time in steals per game in 16 seasons.

What do I get and why do I make this pick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY25cKyv68s

From wikipedia

He was traded to the New York Knicks 28 games into the 1993-94 season as the Knicks were looking for a defensive point guard to replace Doc Rivers who went down with an injury that sidelined him for the whole season. This turned out to be a blessing for Harper because the Mavericks were on their way to a 13-69 win-loss campaign, while Harper was an integral part of a Knicks team that came within one game of winning the 1994 NBA Championship.

Known for his toughness and defense, Harper was widely recognized as one of the best players never to make an All Star Game,
Harper was a vital part of the Knicks' lockdown mid 90s D along with Starks, and both players flourished in the same backcourt even though they were undersized. He was used to deferring to Ewing so feeding the ball to KAJ won't be an issue. Was a monstrous thorn in the Pacers' sides during their mid 90s rise to fame.

13/5/3 from the guard position.

I get 16.0 PER with no PER lower than 15.2 in his second season, between season 2 and season 10. This helps to offset Billups' slow start. TS% of .53, so average, but won't be asked to handle very much of the scoring load at all.
Lower than 20% usage, so he doesn't command the ball.
Assist % of 27 and assist to turnover ratio of 3:1
35% 3 point shooting, so my bigs can kick it out to him in confidence.
average of 75 games per season, and considering one of those was the lockout season, that's not too shabby.

I can spell Billups at the point and not lose anything defensively.
I can play Billups and Harper in the same backcourt and the only thing I lose is a couple of inches in size at the 2 spot.
I have two reliable three point shooters, along with reliable defenders, in the backcourt.
I can start him as a PG should the matchup dictate I need a bigger lineup and not lose a thing.
I can use him as the PG for the second unit if necessary.

I can understand the redundancy argument but Harper is a true ballhawk and I now have a very good defensive backcourt to go with a good offensive frontcourt, no matter what lineup I choose to enlist.

Team cardsman

Kareem Abdul Jabbar C
Chauncey Billups PG
Adrian Dantley SF/SG
Horace Grant PF
Derek Harper SG/PG

Bench

Chris Bosh PF

Last edited by cardsman; 02-26-2011 at 01:04 AM.