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11-02-2023 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Bahbah Mahomes trolling aside, the QB contract debate to me always ends with....Where else do you put the money?

There's like 25 defensive players in the NFL that matter, maybe 30-40 receivers, maybe 5 tight ends, maybe 20 OLs, maybe 3 RBs. FA signings are generally terrible values, most guys on their 2nd contract post rookie deals don't end up being good values.


If I saw teams saying screw paying Jared Goff or Deshaun Watson and just putting the money into having Jimmy, Mayfield or Mac Jones at QB with a stacked team, I'd be be more open to the idea. Besides the 49ers building an all star team with the best playercaller, there just isn't any of this. The best teams in the NFL basically track identically with who the best QB's are, whether they make 12m or 50m. Both the Bills and Chiefs don't seem as formidable as in years past, but what is the alternative for these teams? And paying Allen/Mahomes like 10m less a year yields what, a few roleplayers? Seems almost negligible.


Maybe in like 5-7 years with more QB's coming in we get a saturation point and market correction? But I don't see anything close to that right now.

thoughts?
any commentary on this?

another thing i didn't mention is being fiscally conservative/prudent in the nfl seems like a worse strategy than before because the cap is consistently going up 6-7% a year which is like 15-18M in real $ so these deals just don't some all that cost prohibitive.
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11-02-2023 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tarheels2222
I mean the Chiefs shipped with this same group minus Rice plus JuJu. And Rice is better than JuJu . Rice should keep improving and getting more involved. JuJu's receiving lines in the playoffs last year were terrible, so it's not like losing him actually matters.

I don't disagree that Skyy, Toney, MVS, Hardman, etc. all suck, but all you need is Mahomes and Kelce.
Not saying they weren't in the hunt, one of the best 4-5 teams last year but they also did run pure with the seeding from the Hamlin situation. That was a massive equity boost.

It is weird because when teams win it all we tend to default to "everything worked out, they had the midas touch" but they won it all and yet the Tyreek trade honestly seems like 1 of the worst I can remember for trading away a player.

With him, they're basically the clear favs starting every year from 2020-now, without him they're just another top tier team and just an unstoppable machine that needs something like mahomes 4th Q/OT vs Cincy in 2021 or their OL getting killed in 2020 vs Tampa to lose.

Has there been any definitive explanation as to why that deal happened? Just didn't want to pay Tyreek close to 30 for what was only a small bump given they were perennial contenders regardless?
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11-02-2023 , 05:23 PM
Any team that wins needs to run pure. Getting the bye obviously helps a lot, but let’s not act like it was a completely free gift. If the Bengals beat the Bills in the Damar game, it’s moot anyways and the Chiefs are the 1.

Tyreek would certainly be a big boost, but they are still doing fine without him.

I think it was the Chiefs not willing to give the $ + something seemed to sour in the relationship as contract negotiations were happening.

Last edited by tarheels2222; 11-02-2023 at 05:30 PM.
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11-02-2023 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
any commentary on this?

another thing i didn't mention is being fiscally conservative/prudent in the nfl seems like a worse strategy than before because the cap is consistently going up 6-7% a year which is like 15-18M in real $ so these deals just don't some all that cost prohibitive.
I just don't think a QB that bad can go deep in the playoffs, so I'm not sure that strat is effective. Even a Cousins, Geno level of QB might not be enough.

also, how remarkable that now, grouping Goff and Watson is slanderous to Goff when 3 years ago we would have laughed you out of the forum for suggesting that Goff could be in the same class as DeShaun
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11-02-2023 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Has there been any definitive explanation as to why that deal happened? Just didn't want to pay Tyreek close to 30 for what was only a small bump given they were perennial contenders regardless?
He talked about that just the other day. His agent initially put in the trade request as a negotiation tactic because the Chiefs wouldn't budge on the guaranteed money. At least based on his side of the story he told Drew Rosenhaus explicitly that he didn't want to leave KC. Dolphins and Jets came along and actually offered more money than Tyreek had asked the Chiefs for. Jets apparently even more than Dolphins but state income tax made that basically a wash and he preferred Miami.

Chiefs used the draft capital (and some more trades) to draft McDuffie (one of the best PFF graded safeties) and Skyy Moore (see above). Had the latter worked out the trade definitely would have been a win-win.
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11-02-2023 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
I just don't think a QB that bad can go deep in the playoffs, so I'm not sure that strat is effective. Even a Cousins, Geno level of QB might not be enough.

also, how remarkable that now, grouping Goff and Watson is slanderous to Goff when 3 years ago we would have laughed you out of the forum for suggesting that Goff could be in the same class as DeShaun
Well, if the excess $ could be used efficiently then having a mid-low end QB on a stacked team would possibly work. But just doesn't seem like you can get that type of bang for buck unless you just kill it drafting and even then shelf life for most non-QBs is just too short and they all get hurt too much anyway.

Hard to believe it was only 6 years ago we had the Bortles, Foles, Keenum in the final 4.

but anyway, I get why teams spew hard on QB
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11-02-2023 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Well, if the excess $ could be used efficiently then having a mid-low end QB on a stacked team would possibly work.
QB
I think it’s one of the reasons why spending so much draft capital on QBs at the top of the 1st is such a popular thing

If they’re a hit you get yes 2-4 (and sometimes 5 if they structure a deal well) with an elite QB and the $$ to fill out the roster
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11-02-2023 , 07:11 PM
If your receiver room is Kelce and a bunch of high school PE teachers, then the blueprint is straight forward: double Kelce and don't give up YAC to the others. Put a spy on 15 and you don't need to rush no more than 4.

Lou Anarumo has given the blueprint to the entire league. Just a question of execution - look at how many times he rushed 3 and dropped 8 and had lots of success.
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11-03-2023 , 12:01 AM
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The Steelers are the only team in the Super Bowl era to have a winning record through 8 games despite being outgained in every game

they can't keep getting away with it
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11-03-2023 , 04:28 AM
It’s almost detrimental to their franchise that they have a good enough coach and Defence to keep winning games despite a horrific offence
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11-03-2023 , 09:44 PM
tomlin restricts the progress of analythicks on a one to one ratio for every season he continues to coach
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11-04-2023 , 01:44 AM
Steelers 5-3 and have NE. Indi, Cleveland, GB Cards and Cinci the next 6

They’ll be favoured in 4 or 5 of these games. Can easily be 9-5 or 10-4. And terrible
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11-04-2023 , 01:05 PM
Purdy leads the league in Polarizing Irrationality.

Both his haters and his supporters are completely detached from reality.

Haters: Purdy does good? It's the system. Purdy does bad? Because Purdy bad.

Supporters: Every failure and loss can be justified without my perfect view of him changing one iota.
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11-04-2023 , 01:07 PM
Steelers have been outgained every single game. -30 point differential. 5-0 in one score games.

Pretty amazing to defy the numbers like that. And very real to get in the playoffs with that schedule, yes.
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11-04-2023 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by g-bebe
Dolphins getting bet down to +1 now. Bills down to +1.5. I think I'm falling in love with Bengals and Chiefs at those numbers.

I feel way too good about way too many games this week. Never a good sign. So many games seem obvious.
the picks iz in. who else do you like this weeks?


Chefs hype! bengals, too. the bills blow
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11-04-2023 , 02:23 PM
Bengals, Eagles, Jets, Panthers, Bucs are my bets this week
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11-04-2023 , 02:46 PM
Dolphins by 20

Don't @ me
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11-04-2023 , 03:38 PM
Analythicks iz in
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11-04-2023 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
Dolphins by 20

Don't @ me
I would have bet Chiefs but I hated the move to not travel until Thursday.
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11-04-2023 , 04:02 PM
mark are you getting excited?

24 hours my friend
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11-04-2023 , 04:12 PM
that eagles/ boys game has got more good stuff in it, than toast, bacon, eggs... toast, meatloaf, nuts, olives

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11-04-2023 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by g-bebe
Bengals, Eagles, Jets, Panthers, Bucs are my bets this week
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11-04-2023 , 10:29 PM
Best third leg for 50% boost fanduel 3 leg sgp:

Bengals ML / Chase Anytime TD / ????? = profit?
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11-04-2023 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by REDeYeS00
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I like pain. Gotta ride with the dregs.
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11-04-2023 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Best third leg for 50% boost fanduel 3 leg sgp:

Bengals ML / Chase Anytime TD / ????? = profit?
Allen > 5 INTs
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