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08-12-2012 , 04:02 PM
I just want to thank the players on the 2012 team today for proving once and for all that they couldn't beat the Dream Team. Especially Chris Paul, and his monster game.

Really nothing else to say as anyone with a brain now knows the 1992 team would crush the posers out there today.
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08-12-2012 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
But what about the enhanced speed of the game? The 2012 team only beat Lithuania and Spain by 5 and 7 points respectively. Why would you say the '92 team would win the vast majority of the time?
do you think that the 2012 team will beat lithuania and spain by exactly 5 and 7 points every time they play?
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08-12-2012 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Well on the Lithuanian team that the US beat by 5 points Linas Kleiza plays in the NBA...so I guess there is that.

Granted that is one less than the 1992 Lithuanian team who the Dream Team beat by 51 points...but why get caught up in details?
+1
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08-12-2012 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
do you think that the 2012 team will beat lithuania and spain by exactly 5 and 7 points every time they play?
Nope, they would lose a couple games too.
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08-12-2012 , 04:05 PM
probably. so would the 92 team if they kept playing forever
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08-12-2012 , 04:05 PM
I think the 1992 side is right but the side consists of a
Laundry list of woat posters.
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08-12-2012 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
I think the 1992 side is right but the side consists of a
Laundry list of woat posters.
Ya, this.
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08-12-2012 , 04:06 PM
If I am not mistaken Sabonis played for that Liths NT.
Sabonis>>>>>>>>>Kleiza
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08-12-2012 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
probably. so would the 92 team if they kept playing forever
You are correct for once, as long as the 5 starters were out with the Flu.
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08-12-2012 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
do you think that the 2012 team will beat lithuania and spain by exactly 5 and 7 points every time they play?
Not exactly, but we have to use the limited information we have.

Lithuanian team with 1 player with nba experience. 5 point win.

Lithuanian team with 2 players with nba experience. 51 point win.

Despite the small sample I think that is pretty telling.
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08-12-2012 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Andz
Americans fully deserve it and they were the best team in this tournament no doubt about it.
But I will stand by what I said. If Spain had a better coach they could have won.

We cool.

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Originally Posted by BADUU
I just want to thank the players on the 2012 team today for proving once and for all that they couldn't beat the Dream Team. Especially Chris Paul, and his monster game.

Really nothing else to say as anyone with a brain now knows the 1992 team would crush the posers out there today.
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08-12-2012 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Andz
If I am not mistaken Sabonis played for that Liths NT.
Sabonis>>>>>>>>>Kleiza
Not just Sabonis, but Sarunas Marciulionis as well.

Of course those guys sucked................. to the "prisoners of the moment" crew.

Last edited by BADUU; 08-12-2012 at 04:21 PM.
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08-12-2012 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Not exactly, but we have to use the limited information we have.

Lithuanian team with 1 player with nba experience. 5 point win.

Lithuanian team with 2 players with nba experience. 51 point win.

Despite the small sample I think that is pretty telling.
Damn skippy
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08-12-2012 , 04:18 PM
Brent Barry right now could roll out of bed, take 100 free throws in a row and make >90

Anyone citing his in game career ft% as an argument is simply retrarded, it's really easy for great shooters to make shots in rhythm when not tired
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08-12-2012 , 04:20 PM
looks like the 92 crew has shifted away from the "karl malone proves the nba did got get any better over the past 20 years" line to just completely ignoring how much better european basketball has become
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08-12-2012 , 04:24 PM
Socrates would be ashamed of all of you
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08-12-2012 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
looks like the 92 crew has shifted away from the "karl malone proves the nba did got get any better over the past 20 years" line to just completely ignoring how much better european basketball has become
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08-12-2012 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
looks like the 92 crew has shifted away from the "karl malone proves the nba did got get any better over the past 20 years" line to just completely ignoring how much better european basketball has become
I don't believe I was a part of the Karl Malone debate, but it seems you have shifted your argument from calling the '92 teams "random non-pro" when it was pointed out that some of them actually had more NBA players than the '12 teams.

Also, I don't follow the Lithuanian basketball league and I doubt you do either. Most of the Lithuanian players play in that league.

EDIT: Upon further research it seems in the last 19 years of the Lithuanian league the same two teams have won the championship every year. Sounds like a real solid league.
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08-12-2012 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Not exactly, but we have to use the limited information we have.

Lithuanian team with 1 player with nba experience. 5 point win.

Lithuanian team with 2 players with nba experience. 51 point win.

Despite the small sample I think that is pretty telling.
This doesn't account for how good the average Lithuanian player is now. They don't have to be playing in the NBA to be better than the 1992 Lithuanian players that weren't in the NBA. Also, he makes his NBA debut this year, but the Lithuanian team has another player who was the 5th overall pick in the 2011 NBA draft.

Also: USA beats Argentina by 29 and 26. USA beats Lithuania by 5. Argentina beats Lithuania by 23. Meh. Hard to take too much away from such a small sample size.
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08-12-2012 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jmill
This doesn't account for how good the average Lithuanian player is now. They don't have to be playing in the NBA to be better than the 1992 Lithuanian players that weren't in the NBA. Also, he makes his NBA debut this year, but the Lithuanian team has another player who was the 5th overall pick in the 2011 NBA draft.

Also: USA beats Argentina by 29 and 26. USA beats Lithuania by 5. Argentina beats Lithuania by 23. Meh. Hard to take too much away from such a small sample size.
Your second paragraph is valid, but I still think 5 points vs 51 points is a relevant stat despite the small sample. I understand players will have off nights/others will have career games, but we're talking over 10x the point difference.

For the first part though, I see no real evidence that Lithuanian players are better. Most of them play in the Lithuanian league and not the better leagues in Europe. And the '92 Lithuanian team had 2 nba players so even including Jonas Velanciunus it is the same amount.
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08-12-2012 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Your second paragraph is valid, but I still think 5 points vs 51 points is a relevant stat despite the small sample. I understand players will have off nights/others will have career games, but we're talking over 10x the point difference.

For the first part though, I see no real evidence that Lithuanian players are better. Most of them play in the Lithuanian league and not the better leagues in Europe. And the '92 Lithuanian team had 2 nba players so even including Jonas Velanciunus it is the same amount.
Well I'm not as interested in comparing the 2012 team to the 1992 team, as much I am defending the 2012 teams ability/performance. I'm not going to pretend like I know whether or not the non NBA Lithuanian players are significantly better now, or better at all, but I think given how much better the rest of the world has gotten at basketball in the last 20 years, it's reasonable to believe that they are better.
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08-12-2012 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jmill
Well I'm not as interested in comparing the 2012 team to the 1992 team, as much I am defending the 2012 teams ability/performance. I'm not going to pretend like I know whether or not the non NBA Lithuanian players are significantly better now, or better at all, but I think given how much better the rest of the world has gotten at basketball in the last 20 years, it's reasonable to believe that they are better.
I think we'll need to start a 1992 Lithuania vs 2012 Lithuania bball thread to get to the bottom of this.
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08-12-2012 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Socrates would be ashamed of all of you
Now that's funny.
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08-12-2012 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Your second paragraph is valid, but I still think 5 points vs 51 points is a relevant stat despite the small sample. I understand players will have off nights/others will have career games, but we're talking over 10x the point difference.

For the first part though, I see no real evidence that Lithuanian players are better. Most of them play in the Lithuanian league and not the better leagues in Europe. And the '92 Lithuanian team had 2 nba players so even including Jonas Velanciunus it is the same amount.
It's only relevant if it proves your point.
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08-12-2012 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22
prob the exchange of the thread and pretty much proves that, right or wrong about DT v '12 team, matt r might be the dumbest person in the history of the world and that his opinion is less meaningful than visiting a pre-school for blind kids and polling who they think is better.
GeoffRas22,
I would like to again officially apologize for starting to count when Rajohn Rondoe actually visibly took his first shot in the most important video evidence we currently have in this thread, rather than beginning to count on the first shot that is entering the hoop when the video starts. I can see why this misstep perturbs you so.

Is the source of your anger due to my counting 3 shots for Mr. Rondoe as opposed to 4, or is your anger related to other things? For instance, me proving you wrong about stuff? If it's the former, mayhaps you should ask El Rata to post a moar clear video in the future proving well... nothing I guess except more stuff that is inherently wrong. If it's the latter, I do apologize again because my intent isn't to show you that your opinions are wrong or that you are dumb, I just want to remain a shining beacon of truth in this thread of AIDS.

Did you have an opinion about the Lithuania game or the Spain game? I thought the competitive nature of those games of basketball as well as the results were fascinating indeed, and could perhaps shed some light into the nature of this debate.

Last edited by Matt R.; 08-12-2012 at 05:42 PM. Reason: typo -- I do sincerely apologize
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