Here's a new version.

http://rapidshare.com/files/39318200...e1.01.EXE.html

Changes
Fixed edit Display Preferences with a recently opened table (i.e no player panels yet displayed) crash bug.
Enabled import of HHs exported for PT
Fixed import of partial hands. Now you only have to wait until the current hand is done before displaying the player panels, not until the next complete hand is done.
Added log file to help track down future bugs


If you encounter problems with the program please try running it again but this time check the logging option on the settings dialog. This dumps output to a log.txt file. If you could PM me the last few lines of the log.txt file before a crash, it would help me track down what the problem was.

Thanks

On the HUD you have the call 3-bet, but the abbreviation is F3 (which suggestions fold to 3-bet to me). Is this just a typo? Is the stat suppose to be call or fold to 3-bet. Just from a quick test I seem to have a lot of people with > 50% call c-bet. The games have definitely changed, but I am not sure people playing the likes of 20/16 through 15/12 are calling 66% of 3-bet over 2500 hands. I can see them folding 66% of the time though. This is far from a detailed test, just loading up 10 tables and looking at the stats, but I have seen just a few of these and they don't look right.

If it is call 3-bet, wouldn't an abbreviation such as C3 be better.

Just another quick point once in a while the tmp file isn't picked up for tables even if you leave it running for a couple of orbits. And also the HUD on some tables doesn't load the stat box for everybody at that table, even when I am 100% certain I have stats on them. Besides if you don't have stats there should still be a stat box, just with everything set to zero.

I should also have said that I do see over 20/16 type players with more reasonable call 30% of the time. Don't know if that is just how the hands have played out, or if there is a bug in there.

Oh and another thing, if you try and kill the app while the tables are still up you get a runtime error. Not big deal, but obvious you should be able to close the application anytime.

Thanks for catching the F3 bug. I had thought about making the stat "Fold to 3-Bet" as I did with "Fold to CB" - the idea being that because I include raising (i.e. 4-betting) in the calling stats it is a little ambiguous. I think I may follow through with that on a future version. I had a quick look at the code to check I hadn't confused myself between folding and calling. It doesn't appear so. The stat is counting calls and raises.

I'm not sure what level you play at, but I play $50NL mainly. At that level a lot of people mini-raise or make 3-bets substantially less than pot. If they do that, the call is pretty much automatic with anything you raise or call an opening raise. I had considered testing the 3-bet against a threshold, so the stat would have been "Calls a serious 3-bet".

I guess I might still do that, but the definition is already fairly convoluted as it is. "Calls or raises a 3-bet after either making an opening raise or calling an opening raise." I didn't want to make it anymore complicated.

Ah I see what you mean about the table not picking up the players immediately. If you see that you can move the table a couple of pixels and the panels appear. Kind of ugly, but it is a workaround until I post another version.

I play 200NL, so people on the whole have some idea what they are doing. 2500 hands for players are still a small sample.

So can you confirm it is "Call to 3-bet", and that doesn't include getting 4-bet. Personally I think the "Fold to 3-bet" is better, as when I repop it I want to have a good idea how much action I am likely to get.

People who know a lot more than me have posted on the PT forum about what they are looking for in 3/4 bet stats. Maybe worth checking it out.

I think you have real potential with what you have done, either as a stand alone application or getting it put into another existing one. Both the 3-bet stuff and the stats based on position are fantastic additions, which the likes of PT and PA HUD have been slow to look to implement.

Rapidshare has the worst dam font for for code verification .

I cant stand that site for other reasons as well. I use MediaFire.com personally.

Vista no worky.

It says this applcation has failed to start because MFC71.DLL was not found.

I had that problem on a different Windows XP box to my main pc. Solved it by downloading the dll from the net, not sure about Vista.

No, it is call or raise 3-bet, after having either opened with a raise or called an opening raise. You are right, "fold to 3-bet" is much simpler.

I put the qualification for having called or made the opening raise in because cold calling a 3-bet is a much different proposition to calling it after having opened the betting. Maybe the difference isn't so great for limit games and maybe I could count different stats for those games?

I read the thread in PT and they seem to be heading down the same route in counting the 3-bet%/call 3-bet%, as a % of the number of times raised. I should say I have done this for all the stats. So for example, my check-raise % is going to be quite different from PTs.

Vista works.

Can you add support for the deep stack tables? It wont recognize that it is a 6max table. Thanks for you hard work.

Maybe I am being really stupid, as it is really late here, but will you be including "fold to 3-bet" given they open raised, and if not I don't see why it wouldn't be wanted by people.

I personally think that raising a 3-bet (after being the initial raiser) needs to be a seperate stat from just calling. I would want to know if I repop, how often I can going to be put to the test (i.e. basically put all-in with a 4-bet), just called, or get my opponent to fold. Maybe have 3-bet call as it is, but have a 4-bet stat.

I understand why people want as a % of number of times they raised. For your check raise then, is it % of check raised given the opportunity to do so? And the same with other stats, % that they did something given the chance they could?

Finally I notice you have a float stat. How do you assess what is a float? Is it simply if they call a flop bet, then if it is checked on the turn they fire? Or is it more complex than that?

I thought it did - it looks for 6-max or (deep 6) in the table name. It seems to work OK here.

I know what you are saying. I think there is a danger that the more stats that are included, the more cluttered the screen gets. Sometimes less is more? But if a lot of people disagree I'll put 4-betting in - I would say you are going to need a lot of hands before the % becomes meaningful though.

Yes pretty much all the stats are (times you did something)/(times you could). If you notice the samples for Raise 1st on my screenshot are different from the number of hands. That's because somebody could have opened or limped, before the betting got to that player.

No that's pretty much it except it has to be a raised pot pre-flop.

I definitely agree that less is more in these situations. Key stats are what is important. For me the fold to 3-bet is one of them.

Maybe you are right about the 4-bet stuff, especially at lower levels where people don't often re-repop with air. This is more a meta-game play used at 5/10NL and above.

Regards the float stat, that is not technically a float then, as if somebody has hit a set on a dry board a similar action will most likely be played out. Also this stat could well be seriously skewed by passive players, who just call with their top pair, strongish kicker, or better players who will call with 2nd pair if they know their opponent to c-bet all the time.

Not sure if it would be possible to factor in those kind of things, but without the float factor could be really misleading. If I see the float factor being high I want to be making some moves and putting the pressue on, given that they are supposed to be "floating" and have air a lot of the time. I don't want to find they actually have top pair, 2nd/3rd kicker fairly often, are passive and are still going to call me.

I have just noticed that it looks like the guy has finally come good on wanting to produce a PT rival in Holdem Manager. As part of that he is going to have a HUD as well.

As a serious player (that makes the vast majority of his income from poker) I think you are really along the right lines with the way your calculate your stats and display them in your HUD. I have no idea what his HUD is going to be like and what he is going to do, maybe there is an opportunity to interact with the creator of Hold'em Manager and get your work incorporated into his (for some monetary return of course).

As the way I see it, PT and PA HUD have been slow to really take seriously the ideas you have got working in your HUD. A bit of serious competition does nothing but good for us end users, and any rival (as Hold'Em Manager is trying to be) needs to be the best it possibly can to really take on the monopoly of PT/PA HUD.

I would hate to see what you have already done go by the way side as I previously stated I think the way you have done things so far is absolutely spot on what serious players require (and isn't available in PT / PAHUD).

I'm going on vacation and won't be back till next week. I was thinking about posting a new version, but I've been working on Stars support. Hopefully it's only a couple of days or so when I get back on the 6th of July.

I'd rather a new version till then. That way I can test the version fairly thoroughly.


I guess there's a few of niggly things I need to do.

1. Fix the exception on closing Realtime when tables are open.

2. If I can find a way to compile with the MFC .dll file included. MHope I don't need to buy a new compiler though..

3. I noticed that I am loading the card0.png for the mucked cards images file from c:\program files\full tilt poker\graphics\table\elements. If you have full tilt installed in a different directory, Realtime won't be able to load it. You can just make that same folder for now and copy the cards0.png file to it. Kind of messy and I'll look at fixing it in the next version.

4. Look at changing the call 3-bet stats to fold to 3-bet.


If anybody has anything else, please either post here or PM me.

Thanks for the software! It's working great for me.

But am I the only one who misses the WTS value? An option to change the font/font size would also be nice imo.

edit: it would also be nice if you could minimize the window to the tray

just installed the software. thanks a lot for sharing it. Can I request font size changing too please?

Really nice software, thanks. Changing font and font size and getting some showdown stats would be fantastic.

Mikechops so far I enjoy this software. Thanks for doing this! <3 It's finally a relief to have a hud on the new ftp that DOESN'T LAG HARDCORE (cough cough).

In any case I'm having a few problems with the software. I suck at computers though. I appreciate any help you have:

1) Everytime I save preferences for things like color, HH location etc etc and then close the program, everything will be gone the next time I start it up. I will get an error message and then I have to reset all the preferences.

2) One problem I had with moving the stats around (but belive me, I LOVE this idea) was that everytime I adjusted the stats for me, it would alter the position of my stats on other tables. Thus it turned into a bunch of overlay and general mess. I semi-solved the problem by clicking "auto-center" in Full Tilt's options but was wondering if there is a less "ghetto" way of handling it.

Thanks man!

Am i the only one this doesn't work for? It seems that the people's stats are in the wrong position (which i dragged over), and that some people who left the table's stats are showing. also, is there any way to use my old database? I have to start with 0 hands every time.

V1.02
Added Poker Stars support.
Moved filters to their own dialog since it is a general setting and didnt belong with either FTP or Stars settings.
Fixed shutdown with tables open bug.
Added choose font button to display prefs dialog.
Looked at player stats not appearing. Thought I fixed it, though it happened again on a Stars table - ##@! - Added click on table in the list to activate all player stas for a table. It only happened once in opening maybe 50 tables over 2 hours and clicking on the table list doesnt seem too hard until I can track it down?
Added support for HU tables (Only tested on Full Tilt as I couln't see any on Stars). I'll be doing more with HU after I get Party Poker supported.
Changed Call 3-bet stat to Fold to 3-bet.

TODO
Party. I have a bunch of HH's from pre-Oct. I guess I can use FPHG for some more. And of course there's always play $ tables..Shouldn't be too long since most of the Stars work was actually extending the classes to handle different sites. Could be a bugger to test though.

Look to see what I can do with players who sit and dont play. FTP lists them in the chip count at the start of the HH. This is convenient since I get their stats up before they play a hand. Stars has message thatr says "donkey123 sits in seat 5". It could appear anywhere in the HH so it's going to be a bit of a pain to read. Also need to make sure the seat isn't marked as empty when the next HH has no mention of them because they sat out. Also check for when players stand up - not so improtant but would look tidier.

Add last pot $ to mucked cards overlay

Speed up import. Pretty fast for files that are created in order of hand #, but bogs down a bit for PT exported files - still faster than >>> PT, but can do something about this.

http://www.mediafire.com/?d4dyjntgx0x

Gonna be away for a couple of days, but Party shouldn't take too long when I get back. 2-3 days.

mike, could you help me out ? I sent an email and got no response