Sorry if this is the wrong forum. I normally tile 12-14 tables, but would like to try my hand at cascading ~ 18-20 tables. I just did a test run and the session went horrible, tables didn't pop to the front properly and I'd time out, having to tile them periodically to make sure I wasn't timed out of any.

Any tips for this? Also what software would be helpful for FTP?

Not sure about that issue, don't use ftp

Goto the software forum and search for TableNinja, they release the full tilt version for free and if it's 1/5th as good as the stars version it'd still kickass

I multitable 12 tables at FTP 6max NL. Primary tool is TableNinjaFTP. I also have multitabled up to 20 tables at Stars using the original TableNinja. Right now I use PokerShortcuts solely autoclick my buy in. At Stars, sitting down is super-easy as all you have to do is open a table and Ninja seats you.

I stack my tables which is easier than overlapping them to me.

The Stars and FTP software both bring the action tables to the front, though you sometimes have to force it, which Ninja can help you with a keystroke.

Just recently I switched to 95% keystrokes rather than mouse action and the difference is incredible. The only time I use the mouse is to open the tables.

I'm actually curious to know what other US permissible sites allow for 12+ tables. Does the Cake network? Bodog? If so I might write some software to use for those sites.

To be honest I think this is an issue with the Full Tilt Software.

I remember when I used to play on Full Tilt, I tried to play them "stacked" (4 stacks of 4 tables), and I remember that sometimes towards the end game of SNGs when the tables start firing the software would "Jam". So basically all you would here is "beep beep beep" but none of the tables would come to the front.

So whenever I played on Full Tilt I had to play the tables tiled (I have a 24 in monitor and would play 16 tiled).

I now play on stars and have no problems. But to be honest, I think this is a Full Tilt software issue, and I dont know if there is anything you can do about it.

I stack 25 tables on stars, use TableNinja and never once had a problem. They do an FTP version of it too, with a bit less functionality. I don't play FTP, but I bet Ninja for it is just as good.

If you're 16tabling is there really any value to tiling? You get a smaller window for each table, but you can't watch them all at the same time anyway. 4 or 6 tables maybe makes sense to tile, but 16 seems ridiculous to tile imho.

And as for cascading, that's like stacking, as in you can only see one table at a time, but you get smaller windows, am I right?

If anyone does then I'd be interested to hear why, and from the massive tilers, how much info can you actually track from any one game with so many and such tiny windows?

Stop just clicking on buttons and start thinking 12+ tables is way to more ....

So does anyone stack FTP nowadays, it seems to risky to me, I'm curious if anyone has figured out a software combination that makes this feasible.

Any ahk for multitabling at absolute?

I think 6 tables is optimal if you want to think and play.

I just started 16 tabling about a week ago.

Yes, it is possible. Yes, you can think (but you do have to be fast). Yes, stacking effectively is achievable.

Here's how I do it. I use Quezto's tiling/stacking ahk and Poker Shortcuts.

Poker Shortcuts keeps tables that need attention in queue (the tables that need attention first are higher in order). It's functional for what I need, but people do have some issues with it.

Quetzo's ahk can be found here. I use the stacking one and the ahk for pulling up tables in a stack in post 33.

I also use the Logitech G13 gamepad. This makes multitabling infinitely easier and faster!

So a typical set of 16 SNGs would have 9 tiled tables with seven two-table stacks.

Now, the key here (and it took me a couple sets to really get it down) is to keep checking your stacks!


Sometimes, when two or more tables need action at roughly the same time, a table at the bottom of the stack will time out. If you don't keep checking your stacks, it'll blind you out because you completely neglected the table! It'll sit there with you sitting out until you bring it up in the stack and click the "I'm Back" button. This occurs even if you have the auto-click for that button checked in Poker Shortcuts. The table no longer will pop up for Poker Shortcuts to click the button for you.

So, as long as you keep checking your stacks, you can definitely stack 16 tables pretty easily. This means (obviously) that you should try to not have any distractions -something that takes longer than a couple seconds to address- because the time outs will pile up.

I'm still new to it, so my reading skills (and other subtle skills) are not up to par yet, but I am getting better at doing keeping track and getting the reads in.

Taking notes can be pretty hard to get in, but I just pull the player's notes off to the side of the screen and type them in when I get the chance (abbreviations are key, obv).


So..... to summarize, yes it can be done effectively. Using the software and the gamepad (<--- essential imo), it can be done without giving up too much (if any) itm or roi.

Another thing that it absolutely helps with is forgetting about bad beats. You just don't have time to cry over the sick three outers or runner runners!


If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask here or pm me.

Technically thats not stacking, thats just like tiling but with a small monitor. Stacking means having all 16 tables stacked one on top of the other. We all know the "I'm back" button doesn't work, as well as the "Auto click time bank". Add this to the fact that Tilt hasn't worked out the issues with stealing focus from its own tables and that is why I was skeptical if anyone could still STACK on Full Tilt, in the strictest sense of the word stack.

Um..... technically it IS stacking. It is stacking and tiling at the same time. Perhaps it's not what you want to do, but it is.

So you're saying that having a table on top of another isn't stacking? What would it be, then?

It is nine tiled and seven of the nine are stacked. This means that seven of the nine have two tables..... one on top of the other..... stacked.

Oh, and my monitor is 25.5 inches and runs at 1920x1200.

I still think if you tried it, you'd like it. I know it works great for me.

I just don't understand the attitude of someone who seeks help and then (in error) slams the helper/help.

Truly stacking on full tilt isnt possible (auto-time bank, etc.), but there may be other alternatives. If your frustrated with the solutions currently available you should try my software (its currently under development). The goal is to assist with truly MASSIVE multi tabling by automating every part of the process except actually playing poker (including help with tiling, etc.). The software isn't complete yet, but many of the features are functional and you may find it useful. check out the "Poker Companion" thread.

Also, I believe that with my software it isn't possible for full tilt tables to steal focus from each other.

I wasn't slamming you, I was just telling you how it is. When someone on here refers to the term "stacking" they are referring to when you can see one table at a time out of many. I'm figuring you had the best intentions with what you posted it just wasn't helpful for the information I was trying to gather.