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10-09-2008 , 07:32 PM

alexruimy

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,446

Had a couple ideas for HUDs, would be great if something like this existed already. Anyone know?

Active Line Tracker:
This would help me most when I'm 2+ tabling heads up. I've always had a hard time remembering lines while I'm in a bunch of hands. The key to this is it would likely have to pull the data from screen captures instead of hand histories to ensure that it's live.

Recent Opens:
Some kind of display that shows the last 3 preflop raises or calls (that went to showdown obv). I imagine this would be really helpful to narrow ranges.

Thoughts? I think these would be pretty sick. If they don't exist, I may have to develop them...

Last edited by alexruimy; 10-09-2008 at 07:51 PM.

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10-09-2008 , 07:47 PM

Thois

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Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 935

yeah we need this, especially the second picture

i remember NotesNL did something like this, but the project wasnt that successful

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10-09-2008 , 10:53 PM

alexruimy

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,446

okay development has begun on the line tracker. would anyone buy either of these (line tracker is more important to me because i typically only play hu) once they're good and polished?

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10-09-2008 , 10:55 PM

ekdikeo

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Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,386

Doesn't Stars have an option to have the Dealer Chat include all that stuff?

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10-09-2008 , 10:56 PM

alexruimy

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,446

i have no idea but that would be very helpful

edit: looked but could not find on stars.

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10-10-2008 , 03:25 AM

a nonymous

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Yea, I'd pay for line tracker if it worked well. I'd want it to work on both Stars and FTP.

Way better than scrolling through the chat when 12 tabling.

In the example you don't have screen names. I'd want it to work all the time, not just for heads up, so you should add an option to show screen names.

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10-10-2008 , 03:40 AM

alexruimy

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yeah, i considered that but screen names cluttered the already small text so i decided to color code it. obviously a 9 handed pot is unlikely, but would 9 different colors work for you or are screen names still necessary? i guess it would be simple enough to make an option.

and yes, i plan on making it work for stars and ftp initially.

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10-10-2008 , 03:47 AM

alexruimy

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,446

also, i'm not sure how feasible this would be if all the tables aren't completely visible, given that the software would be reading from screen shots instead of HHs, so i guess this would only work for people who tile their tables.

just to confirm, the hand history file is created only after the hand is over, right? there's no way to pull this info right from the client other than screen grabbing?

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10-10-2008 , 03:55 AM

a nonymous

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I thought about this more and you really should do it. This would make multi-tabling way easier.

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10-10-2008 , 03:56 AM

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a nonymous

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Originally Posted by alexruimy

Screen names are 100% necessary. 9 different colors wouldn't help unless you have a little dot on the table showing which color goes with each player (but screen names would be way better).

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10-10-2008 , 04:11 AM

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alexruimy

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Originally Posted by a nonymous

Screen names are 100% necessary. 9 different colors wouldn't help unless you have a little dot on the table showing which color goes with each player (but screen names would be way better).

check the screenshot, the colors are under the username. but i will do my best. ty for the feedback. i'll keep updates posted itt.

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10-10-2008 , 04:22 AM

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a nonymous

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Originally Posted by alexruimy

check the screenshot, the colors are under the username. but i will do my best. ty for the feedback. i'll keep updates posted itt.

Sorry, didn't see that. I guess I might be able to get used to that. Screen names just seem easier. Colors might be even better, I'd have to try it out. But shouldn't be any harder to have them included as an option, right?

Should include as many formatting options as you can.

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10-10-2008 , 07:07 AM

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HalvSame

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 468

I remember the old smartnotes did something like this back in the day on party - it was obviously easier to do there because FPHG writes the HH in real time.

Look at PokerPad for an example of screen scraping from non-visible windows.

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10-10-2008 , 09:14 AM

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mappedout

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,930

Someone flame me if im way off base here. But wouldnt this kind of be in a grey area as far as accepted software. I mean it will interpret the current hand and provide information about the hand while in progress to help make a decision. I guess its not displaying any information that you couldnt already get from the chat window. But how does Stars view this type of helper applet? Approved?

If its all above board i would be interested in trying it. Thx

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10-10-2008 , 10:08 AM

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alexruimy

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,446

hmm. i'm not sure how stars or tilt would view this kind of app but atm that's not gonna be a deterrent for me. i mean, isn't pt and/or a hud technically against the rules? certainly datamining has to be and i know a lot of us do that...

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10-10-2008 , 11:15 AM

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mappedout

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ya datamining is, pt/hem/huds arent tho
generally anything that helps the player make a decision providing information about the current hand is not allowed, but like i said im not sure this will be interpreted this way since its all info you can get otherwise (i.e. the action taking place). other programs like texas calculatem used to provide odds on the next street kinda thing, which was banned from use. not sure where this lies...

either way i'll try it out...

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10-10-2008 , 03:31 PM

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alexruimy

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okay i'm putting together a spec over the next few days. any feature requests should go here (only for line tracker now).

what i'm planning so far
- ftp/stars support
- include screen name option
- custom text formatting in the hud
- quick history (go through all hands from that table/session)
- 2 to 9 player support

throw ideas at me guys. i'm gonna put a lot of time and money into this and i wanna make sure it's done to 2p2 standards.

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10-10-2008 , 08:25 PM

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jeanqlassec

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Originally Posted by alexruimy

You don't need to constantly take screenshots. Some windows API magic can do the work, though you need to be quite a skilled windows c++ programmer for that.

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10-10-2008 , 08:40 PM

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alexruimy

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yeah, i actually found an alternate method using dll injections or whatever. i'm just writing the spec and having someone else do the coding.

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10-10-2008 , 09:31 PM

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_dave_

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PokerOffice does this "line tracker" to an extent.

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i'm gonna put a lot of time and money into this...i'm just writing the spec and having someone else do the coding.

by all means go for it, but don't expect to automatically make a profit if you indeed do pile in "a lot" of money to this project- chances are if it is popular the big HUDs will implement it (and fast), or someone else will for cheap/free...

I don't mean to discourage - this would be pretty cool - but now you mention lot of time/money, and you aren't going to do the coding yourself... be careful not to be getting ripped off.

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10-10-2008 , 09:45 PM

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alexruimy

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yeah dave, you're right about the big huds. meh though, imo. i enjoy these kind of projects and would get a lot of satisfaction in having a finished, usable product that 2p2 and i created together.

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10-11-2008 , 02:52 AM

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a nonymous

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Originally Posted by mappedout

I don't understand why you think Stars or FTP would have a problem with this.

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10-11-2008 , 02:55 AM

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a nonymous

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Lots of formatting options. Let us show just the first 3 letters of screen names, etc.

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10-12-2008 , 03:49 AM

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ekdikeo

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Originally Posted by mappedout

That's what I said -- isn't all this information already right there in the chat window?

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10-12-2008 , 05:10 PM

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alexruimy

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Originally Posted by ekdikeo

That's what I said -- isn't all this information already right there in the chat window?

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Originally Posted by a nonymous

Way better than scrolling through the chat when 12 tabling.

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