Villain is completely unknown.

Should hero call the river?

Play any other streets differently?

ty bob

I might fold turn vs unknown, board got scary and he didn't slow down...on the river it looks a bit suspect, you'd expect him to check straights which I guess he was repping on the turn and he's probably not turning overpairs into bluffs...I think I call

You could make the old wait for a better spot argument though

Reraise pre and this hand plays so, so differently.

I really hate all the calling, especially vs unknowns. We have so much money in the pot and we still have no clue whatsoever as to who we´re really playing and what he might have.

Hero-calling in this spot vs unknows seems like burning money.

No.

In my humble opinion Hero should not get to the river.

I'd fold to UTG's $3 continuation bet on the flop.

Buzz

I would call the river, i'm not saying i would get this far but what is he supposed to have?
His hand looks like a2 with nut flush draw.

fold the flop

Call so you can brag if you're right

Extremely optimistic flop call too, as Jez says, unless villain often gives up when his cbet is called.

Against an unknown, villain's line screams aces to me. He's pushing river because he knows you missed the low and wants you to fold potentially winning hands like an idiot straight or AJxx.

And I would usually fold.

That said, I am also curious as to your line of thinking calling the turn.

Vs uknown I fold on the flop. Villain is probably bad because of his stack size but our hand is crap at this point. As played I fold on the river and not level myself into calling vs probably a bad straightforward villain.

I imagine hero's plan is to bluff hearts and/or hit low. Preferably both.

Flop is interesting. What's the reasoning for the call? If I called the flop it would have been to bomb certain turn cards, the 8c seems pretty perfect.

How fast did the guy bet each time? If it was quickly then it's a snap call on river!!

Yes always call if they bet quickly

You obviously don't understand what i mean lol! You ever heard of bet timing? I take it you haven't

Its a terrible advice tho, some ppl bet fast in genaral whatever its a bluff or not. Maybe hes playing one table and just fire his overpair ?

If hero noticed some change in his time taken from the same amount of tables, sure you can maybe find a tell in that. Otherwise your advice is just utter BS.

You are funny pokerchef! If ANYBODY fires at this 3 times Quickly the MAJORITY of the time it will be a BLUFF!! It will be a profitable call!! Another thing to consider is how QUICKLY angribob CALLS each round!! If he instacalls then sure somebody can fire 3 times with aces! But surely the river would take a small amount of time to consider how much you want to bet to entice a call from maybe a missed low that has one pair???

They could be BLUFFING with the BEST HAND

As evinced by this discussion, we're thinking about calling with second pair, no way anybody ever is folding a jack or a straight. If villain has aces then he should check this river to induce a bluff.

Playing aces like that is either level -1 or level 3 (if he thinks you know it's so terrible to play aces this way, so you will herocall him with second pair, so he's going for thin value).

His likely hands are straight, missed hearts , and boat

I'm used to people who employ level 1 thinking and not much else. Because of that, I default to presuming that line against unknowns and otherwise try to avoid getting into big pots in the absence of decent information about my opponent.

Given the stakes, I'm pretty comfortable with that assessment. I put Villain on aces, he overvalues them and keeps pushing, then you miss your low and he repots, playing your hand, and expects you to fold. Maybe the game online has passed me by since BF, but these stakes don't seem to be high enough to credit Villain with higher thinking than that.

I don't think there are many hands Villain can check on the river. Aces alone, assuming he has them, are good here sometimes but not that often. He's probably giving up the pot if you check behind, and if you bet pot behind you put Villain to a bad decision. Given stack sizes potting river and not checking is Villain's best play.

You are right that this isn't very sophisticated thinking, but I find it to be practical and useful most of the time. When I find myself playing against a table full of opponents that play on a higher level, I try to find another table or make sure I'm playing at stakes that I can afford because the game is going to be a coin flip for me at best.