There aren't many rules. We just want posters to post about Omaha-8 in this forum and post about other stuff in other forums (or write private messages about other stuff). And we want posters to be nice to each other.

I think so. (All right, if you insist, I know so, or at least I think I know so).

Something.

Any kids? If so, what are their ages?

We're all enjoying it. Thanks for doing it.

Buzz

how do you run so well against me?

This is a really good suggestion imo, tho I don't play much HU myself. All the whining that goes on about hit and running is probably juvenile but it indicates that it's a real problem that the online sites would be wise to deal with. FTP recently instituted some anti-ratholing measures which show they have an interest in changing their rules to keep some people from playing "the system" instead of playing real poker. I'm all for it.

Yes fundamental mistakes, or sometimes making poor decisions based on overly concocted reads. Obv they don't do it a lot or they wouldn't be solid players, but no one is perfect. As for the complexity of razz, even I wouldn't claim that it's more difficult than most other poker games, just that it isn't as simple and mind numbing as most poor razz players think.

Im aware that this is what you were making reference to in the first place, and I absolutely dont want to discuss it here.

As far as the complexity issue, youre probably right again..... but doesnt it sound better the way i said it?

Im gonna give out, literally, the most poignant advice that ive given out in over nine pages of doing this:

Perspective is a funny thing.

Do you really believe in all that stuff u were sayin 2 me that day about FT "liking" certain players more than others? Also sorry if I'm slow in some of our hu matches as I'm usually playin a lot of tables

I understand totally regarding you playing multiple tables. Its just that if you play multiple tables..... you have to understand why it might frustrate a guy whos playing one heads up table that the match isnt exactly being played at a quick pace. I dont blame you. You do what youre comfortable with..... you do what suits you best. I dont ever blame someone for doing the things that are in their best interest...... i simply expect that its logical that im not blamed for doing whats in mine.

As far as FT liking certain players better..... i have all sorts of crazy theories that help me cope. Most of them dont f*cking work, lol.

Thanks for answering all these o8 questions. Who do you consider the best hu limit o8 players on FT. I dont want like an official ranking in order (dont want to start a controversy), just a basic estimation of who you think has the strongest hu games. I appreciate your opinion. Im just curious who I should watch to learn from.

There arent really a whole lot of people that specialize on FT. Glazed is one... i think he posts as J_V here..... but past that there arent many to watch. I wish i could be more helpful.

Enchiladas or Tacos?

Enchiladas for sure, but Mexican is pretty much my least favorite food genre.

EDIT: Ok, you got me. But ill leave it up anyway, lol.

Anyone that gets pleasure from sucking out is truly sadistic and should get a new career in serial killing...

Lacey Jones or Shana Hiatt?

If you were sentenced to play once specific game/limit for the rest of your life what would you hope it would be?

Full Tilt Poker $25/$50 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $4680.00
Hero (SB): $4656.25
BB: $9852.25

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is SB with Q A 3 A
BTN raises to $100, Hero raises to $350, BB calls $300, BTN calls $250

Flop: ($1050.00) K 4 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $575, BB raises to $9502.25 all in, BTN requests TIME, BTN calls $4330 all in, Hero calls $3731.25 all in

Turn: ($14016.25) 4 (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($14016.25) 9 (3 players - 3 are all in)

Final Pot: $14016.25
BTN shows 6 3 2 7 (HI: a pair of Fours)
Hero shows Q A 3 A (HI: two pair, Aces and Fours)
BB shows K 2 2 A (HI: two pair, Kings and Fours)
BB wins $47.50
Hero wins $13967.75
(Rake: $1.00)

What was your thought process in this hand?

I saw Lacey at the WSOP this year for the first time. Shes unreal..... but still Shana.

Some form of big-bet omaha/8....

Ive played with the third player an awful lot live..... and i was pretty surprised that he didnt have a set.

That was pretty much the only thing i was concerned about. I didnt want to have the hand i had against two similar hands with an ace and aces.

It turns out i ran into pretty much the two hands i didnt want to see and i was still pretty even in terms of equity, i think.

I also wasnt sure that you could even over-call behind me.

I thought there was a reasonable chance i might run into a set.... and the call would get it heads up.

I just hate calling off all that money..... is pretty much the only reason i paused.

Clearly this isn't the right forum for it (pun intended), but let me know if you want to discuss it further at some point.
Your way is far more poetical, that's why I wanted to quote it!

Good money i imagine! I love sucking out - always take time for an evil chuckle :0

Ok, lets get into some more strategy:

30-60 08, agg game:

1)what are some of the things your looking to do in 3 way pots where
3-4 bets go in preflop and a "marginal" flop as far as equity goes.

You have dynamic:
a) betting is closed on flop (cant be raised, just have to call one bet)

b) betting is open, your in middle

c) opp bets, other opp folds.

I purposely didn't put in position(s), because there are too many
scenarios, but you can elaborate if needed.

Do you approach dynamic B from a pot-odds point of view, and make loose
calls (ie, 2nd pair vs 2 flush board, w 3rd nut low draw) or from a reverse
implied pov and make more folds, knowing pot will be raised a certain %,
and turn may tie you on even more (maybe in a sense, playing it very
similiar to when 2 bets go in preflop).

Obv can't cover every possible scenario so feel free to expand (on other
dynamics as well)

AND would you say that this is the reason why you limp more then
the average high-limit player as to avoid 3-4 bet pots more. *Maybe
you dont play them as well, or you feel like it takes away from your
skill/hand reading ability perhaps with the feeling its more of a crapshoot?

I would be happy to talk further about it back-channel if youd like. Drop me a PM with your email address and ill get in touch at some point. Cheers!

I have to give these questions some thought.... but i will say this for now:

I havent played a ton of LO/8 lately.... and part of the reason is that this type of thinking isnt rewarded quite as much as it used to be in terms of the game texture currently, in my opinion. At least in the games that ive been playing, the mid limit omaha/8 games play like low limit hold em games in terms of hand values and post-flop play.

Ive never enjoyed that type of poker quite frankly and it takes a lot of the post-flop thought away. Perhaps stars is different? Or perhaps youve experienced something different?

Well I would say the stars regulars winners are much better then the
FT regulars (except HU). Sometimes I think the FT guys just survive
on rakeback.

But at the 30-60 level, I would say the biggest difference I
notice at both sites is the # of 3-4 bet mulitway pots increases
dramatically then at 15-30 lvl.

This may be because I rarely limp cutoff or button and
I raise a lot of non-ace hands co/but, and the 30-60 players
3 bet so many Ace hands (not to mention my aggressive
pre range/image encourages 3 bets from opps)

I agree with you that post flop is fundamentally bad especially
by the non-regulars at all levels, but imo monster pre
pots creates huge variance, and you get into too many situations
for a LAG to steal a big pot not to mention when your against
2 opps with a suspect hand in a big pot, its so tempting to
call down if HU by river. (However its a nobrainer to call most
flops if opp A bets and opp B folds)

So id say all decisions are probably much closer on any given street
with such big pots vs 2 opponents thus nullifying some of my edge
when I have mediocre hands at least. (Tighten up duh!)

Was hoping to get inside your head a bit on limping in position
and general exploitations I could make on my
opps.

Bump.

Threads older than February 1 are to be automatically archived next month in preparation for an upgrade. I'm bumping all 2+2 threads cited in our two stickies that are not already archived so that they will not be lost to us.

This includes all the wells.

Buzz