hey guys!
I'm new to the forum and have a question about the following spot I encountered playing 6 max $0.10/0.25 omaha 8 on Betonline. If I'm posting in the wrong thread or not explaining the hand properly, please do let me know. Thanks!

I got dealt AA7Ton the button and elected to raise pot behind 2 limpers. Big blind and one limper call and we go to the flop 3 handed with $4.16 in the pot. All players are about 100bb deep

Flop comes AJ3

Both players check to me. I bet pot. Big blind calls and other player folds. We go to the turn heads up with $12.02 in the pot.

Turns comes Q

vilain checks to me again. I bet pot and get check raised all in for an additional $6.22. I call and villain shows down KT54
and scoops the pot.

Any thoughts on this hand? Should I be pot controlling more or did I just encounter some typical variance?

Wouldn't overthink this, someone getting to the turn with kt54 is a huge fish and you should be happy shoving vs anything he can have

I would bet smaller on both flop and turn but that's w/e

All of this.

thanks for your feedback! I really appreciate it!
What's the reasoning for betting smaller?

Didn't notice this thread, so I replied to the newb thread.

The reason for betting smaller is that it allows you to bet more often, so it's not really about this hand in a vacuum.

yo , welcome

to be honest, i stoped reading here, in order to "not" get influenced by the next turn of events or your real question.

AA710 is a baaaaad baaaaad hand in PLO8, all you can try to do is isolate a player by reraising and hope to win HU.. vs more players you will get crushed 80 % of the time.

Can be playable if you try to bust players in a tourney with 150 blinds vs 5 blinds for example.. otherwise run away from this hands. AA hands just su ck

poker is a game of contexts and skills.

how can you judge someone you do not know based on the cards he plays ??

a skilled player will play worst hands against players he identifies as weak, cards are not all what matters , skill matters and he busted the aces nicely

The majority of skilled players do not defend kt54ss from the blinds preflop for a full psb bet in a multiway pot because it is a bad hand, easily dominated with bad reverse implied odds and a positional disadvantage for the rest of streets.. this is a very standard fold preflop for expert players

maybe for the 95 % of good players , not for the 5% of top players ( within the 20 % players who can play )

if he is in the top 5% of soul reader outliers doubt he would be toiling in the 10 cent 25 cent streeets really.

Thats what the 95% of people who THINK they are good(spoiler alert:theyre not) tell themselves to justify playing any crap under the sun.

Maybe this applies to NLH vs fish or total nits but in PLO8 the looser you can go without doing a no matter what -EV preflop play is playing like a questionable pair with bad low(QQ24,JJ25 etc) or a mediocre Axx hand like AJ5xss,A56xss etc.These are hands that even though they hardly make the nuts they have the potential to dominate a "top 5% opponent who thinks he can outplay everyone with KT45".

The nature of the game makes specific hands inherently dominated so even if you are Phil Ivey you wont be able to make a profit with a hand like 5678ds ot KT45 vs a mediocre to bad player who plays top 5-10% dominating hands like AA2x,A2Kx,AKwx etc (except if villain is megafish who got no postflop clue).

Interesting thread. I agree with some of the posts about the AA7T hand. I would seldom play it. I don't agree with all the posts about the KT54 hand. KT54 is not my normal playable range, but it is in that expanded range I randomly play (to throw off those observant players that assume I only play A2 or A3). If I had a good read on the raiser's range, I have to consider a call. Also the villains read on the limpers is important here too. If the limpers are likely to 3-bet any raise, I have to consider folding.

After the flop, how does the villain not get to the turn? Against 2 people I have to consider my 45 low draw good but no backup. If I am not worried about the flush draw, I have 8 outs that are scoop cards, all Qs and 2s. Another 12 outs (6s, 7s, and 8s) are probably good for half. Villain didn't smash that flop, but he did hit a solid piece.

Note: I only play LO8, but I am reading PLO8 to expand my range.

Yeh and we can't ignore the result of this hand. It proves that AAT7 is weak and KT54 can make the nuts.

sure ?

PokerStars Hand #164960249843: $20+$2 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level V (60/120) - 2017/01/22 0:50:11 CET [2017/01/21 18:50:11 ET]
Table '1790948650 5' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: dang2007 (11130 in chips)
Seat 2: Taucherstar (9580 in chips)
Seat 3: Its_Gooood (9838 in chips)
Seat 4: fllappie (11336 in chips)
Seat 5: Lomamar296 (17940 in chips)
Seat 6: TheBigShove (9319 in chips)
fllappie: posts small blind 60
Lomamar296: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheBigShove [6c 3s 7s 2h]
TheBigShove: raises 180 to 300
dang2007: calls 300
Taucherstar: calls 300
Its_Gooood: folds
fllappie: calls 240
Lomamar296: calls 180
*** FLOP *** [4c 6h Kd]
fllappie: checks
Lomamar296: checks
TheBigShove: checks
dang2007: bets 750
Taucherstar: folds
fllappie: folds
Lomamar296: calls 750
TheBigShove: calls 750
*** TURN *** [4c 6h Kd] [Js]
Lomamar296: checks
TheBigShove: bets 1425
dang2007: folds
Lomamar296: calls 1425
*** RIVER *** [4c 6h Kd Js] [Jh]
Lomamar296: checks
TheBigShove: bets 3840
Lomamar296: folds
Uncalled bet (3840) returned to TheBigShove
TheBigShove collected 6600 from pot
TheBigShove: shows [6c 3s 7s 2h] (HI: two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6600 | Rake 0
Board [4c 6h Kd Js Jh]
Seat 1: dang2007 folded on the Turn
Seat 2: Taucherstar folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Its_Gooood (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: fllappie (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Lomamar296 (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: TheBigShove collected (6600)

maybe we play a different game ? of course you need a top 5 % skill to be able to do this ( if not 0.001 % )

You advocate not raising AA7T on the button and you then show how "skilled" you are by raising 2367 UTG?

Really?

WP OP

???

So....you open a weak hand UTG,you float OOP w crap then you bluff with what was the winning hand about 90% of the time there.

Well played man,the only better hands you might fold here is an A6xx btw..

i'm hoping that one of these days you'll provide something that's isn't ridiculous/irrelevant in the o8 forum..cheers.

the day this forum will be " open " to discuss and post for everyone I will "maybe" think about it.

for the moment the mods are taking their job too serious and are doing a very bad job by deleting threads ( created a video with key hands where i kicked every single player on a plo8 5 cards ft with the explanations )

>> deleted after one day for no reason AND 0 explanation .( maybe because a bracelet winner said 00 because he has no clue ?? )

great job guys

so no I won't change my mindset and won't bring anything positive

I'm hoping for a day when everyone doesn't quote an entire post right after somebody else quoted the entire post which was already not necessary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2UeTLXa6iU

let's see if this post gets deleted

Just so you cant avoid future conversation with just saying generalized nonsense like "you all suck,you are all negative etc" i saw the entire vid.

Honestly im still not sure what your point is,in the first 3-4 hands your opponents overplay all sorts of crap,GII with high equity only on low boards,just typical micro villains.

The last 2-3 hands happen when you are chipleader playin 3-4handed at the FT,obv you can pressure them tons.The bounties make it even more appealing to play super loose,this is all standard.
That being said,raising a limp with JJ28T OOP is still preety bad and you end up winning basically a flip.
So again,whats does all this prove?

thats the point > wrong

Counterfeiter you play on ACR? would be down for a HU Hyper challenge....

deadpeddler, i dont, i play on pokerstars

otherwise im always open to play any one , but not on any stake as im a recreational player