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SB: $50.00
BB: $38.45
UTG: $50.00
Hero (MP): $56.35
CO: $54.35
BTN: $64.45

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with 2 2 A 5
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.10, 2 folds, SB calls $0.85, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.70) 8 T 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.70, SB calls $2.70

Turn: ($8.10) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8.10, SB calls $8.10

River: ($24.30) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $24.30, SB raises to $38.10 all in, Hero calls $13.80

Standard Cooler or should I have saved my self by checking back the river? I thought the three could have counterfeited the opponents low. I also thought they could have 4,5 but I figured I would still be good for the low. Comments on all streets appreciated but I'm mostly looking for river advice.

Standard cooler. Don't play results.

Villain needs
• A45*,
• A479,
• A433, A466, A488, or A4TT
in order to scoop you, and Villain needs
• A579, A566, A588, or A5TT in order to 3/4 you.

It's pretty unlikely Villain has one of those exact hands, and more likely Villain got counterfeited for low on the river but may pay you off with an emergency low, or two pairs, or A5-nothing-nothing.

Betting the river (as a value bet) is correct, in my humble opinion.

And then of course you should call Villain's river raise, in case he's betting the one way nuts or less.

Buzz

I think for pot control/deception/balancing, this is a good flop to check behind because we're unlikely to win a big pot with it... but its a strong enough hand to raze weak looking turn leads by villian and our equity goes up so much once a spade or 9 doesn't peel.. as played I'd bet less on turn/river because its hard to get hands we scoop to put too much money in the middle.. but we're getting too good a price no.. call and hope to see naked 45

I am betting here for value against pretty much anyone. Its a cooler.

cooler
/thread

I guess I'm the only who thinks you should have checked after river, villian isn't folding A4xx or 45 if that's what he is holding so jamming after river doesn't help you.

As you said, you thought he might have had 45, in that case you need to ask yourself will this player fold that hand to river pressure. If not, why bet. However, if you had the set with the nut low I definitely jam.

I'm guessing you ran into a345, and got scooped.

But where is the value? You have never nut hand and if the villian has you beat either way he's going to call. Curious to find out what he had but I'm guessing our hero got scooped or they chopped it.

I think you get called down lighter than you run into a scooper against most. Maybe check behind against the nittiest of players but I always seem to get called by the weirdest stuff so I am inclined to bet for value.

no one likes checking flop back here?

Lots more crap advice in this thread. Those suggesting checking river are just giving results-oriented advice. You played the hand find, got a cooler if you got scooped. As UCLA said, /thread.

Hardly crap. Wackjob, what do you think the villian could have that he could call after river, but more importantly, call and have our hero take 75% or 100% (Two pair with an A6 low? Unlikely.)

Likely scenarios after river by our hero betting and the villian calling:

(1) Villian had A4xx, he calls, chop.
(2) Villian had xx45, unlikely to fold to pressure, chop.
(3) Villian had A345, scooped.
(4) Villian had A5, weaker high, 75% for hero.

That being said, we're given no information on any type of reads on our opponent which is very important.

No, I like the flop bet. However, not too keen on firing after turn. I would assume that my set of deuces were still good for the high, but that my opponent would have the better low with a high redraw to scoop me.

hero chose from the start to play a big pot with a non nut type hand,
a better question is what should hero do if villians check raises the turn all in . the board happened to come out in a way where it appeared to be a cooler, but Hero should slow down at some point in this hand, because he has too much equity to comfortably bet/fold any street but he will never be a big equity favorite if the money goes in

I kind of like checking the flop more for deception and balancing, obv. we probably have the best hand most of the time, but we can bet the turn where we are in much better shape if a blank comes off, also as far as an overall strategy if our opponents know we can check back a set of deuces on this board, we can check back a hand like Akj2 on this board as well and take the pot down on a lot of turns

Well, since the flop was checked back to our hero I like trying to take it down with our set of 2's. Why give the villian a free card to make his hand? If I had to act first after flop I would probably check and call to any bet.

I agree 100%. I slow down after turn for what I said earlier about our set probably being good for high and the villian probably having the low with a high redraw.

villian should have just check razed all in on the turn with his a45, then the result would have been the same and no one would say its a cooler

I like to check back only to balance the times i check back A2k9 type hands but in a vacuum betting the flop is probably better than checking, but betting pot on three streets here is overplaying the hand

I'm not a cash player but agree with the river being a bet in PLO8.

I think betting the Pot on the river is a mistake. IMO with this sizing we are almost turning it into a Bluff.

Definitely agree with betting the flop and betting the river (although I would sometimes only bet half-pot on the river to fish for calls from hands that are weak both ways but would be scared off by the full pot).

I would sometimes check back the turn here, especially if the opponent is known to be a fairly tight caller of c-bets on the flop (I have fold-to-cbet% on my HUD). This is because you are relatively unlikely to be outdrawn if you are already ahead, and you don't have much fold equity against hands that have similar equity to yours. I mean, a turn bet is for value, it doesn't offer much protection. (I think I would bet more often than not though).

How do you display this?

keep pressig the pretty pot button...it'll make u rich

Sets are tricky in split pot games.

You play it hard and are committed to the check raise. The thing you have to think to ask yourself is?

Am I getting quartered?
Am I getting Scooped?

This is a tough hand... Usually with a small set I try to fill up and control pot size.

A river check was probably more appropriate b/c to many hands you could possibly be up beat by got there. Your lo is troublesome.

2nd nut low aint really that troublesome IMO

If you want to check anywhere in this hand the place for controlling the pot here is the turn. When checked to on the river I'd pot this. I think you have to pot it because otherwise you aren't getting the maximum value from stubborn two pair/worse lows (the rare times they call, and they may call pot more than lower bets if suspicious by nature when that possibly counterfieting you 3 came) or A5 hands you 3/4. Also, a hand very likely to be enticed by smaller bets is A5, so fold it out or don't give this hand the right odds to call

I'd rather check than bet small as you are losing value when ahead and yet still reopening the betting so your whole stack goes in when behind. Thus betting small seems to be a bad play to me.