Hello everyone.

So far I have not posted too much on twoplustwo or any other site but those of you who play on Pokerstars might recognize my nick which is the same here and there. On the average I play 1-2 hours per day, usually 20 tables Omaha8 between 0,50/1 and 2/4 and I get about 700-800 VPP per hour. I am indifferent to PL or NL.

What I would like to know from those who are willing to share:

1.) How many tables do you usually play?
2.) Do you prefer 6-max or fullring? Why?
3.) How many VPP do you average per hour?
4.) How many of you really grind here for a living?
5.) Round about what were you biggest up- and downswings?
6.) What is your opinon about the games in comparison to 1 year ago or to 2 years ago?
7.) How do you predict Omaha8's popularity to be like in the future?

Thanks and regards

Mormoloco

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1) 12
2) 6 max because u have to play tighter at ring
3) don't play stars
4) I do
5) I really dont know.. something like -2k, and +2k in a day
6) Not much different than a year ago.. lot different than 3 yrs ago.
7) Poor with not much growth.. the bad players get ripped up fast in PL. PLO will have much more growth.

Huge

It's going to continue to grow and evolve and I think in even 5 years from now It wont be comparable to what it is now.

I've seen growth and more people showing interest in even the last year. I think poker sites will also accommodate it more too as it does grow with bigger and more tournaments.

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Good point. Better live tourneys is def good for the game.

I don't play at Stars much - mostly FTP. My answers are embedded like others.

1. I can play up to 22, but I'm a much better player when playing 6 or less, particularly at higher stakes games. For me, its not the number of tables that bothers me; Its that I don't like playing with overlapping tables and 22 is the most tables I can play with minimal overlap on my 2 monitors.

2. I think the game is much better shorthanded. Full ring tends to be a lot of nut peddling and not a ton of pure skill. I mostly played full ring when I was mass multi-tabling, but now I prefer shorthanded or heads up.

3. Not positive, but I think I was getting around 900-1000 per hour when I was playing 18-22 tables at a time.

4. Yea, PLO8 online and NLHE live here in Vegas

5. A few thousand I'd say. If I'm playing $5/10 or higher and lose 2 or 3 buy ins then I'll usually call it a day.

6. The game was phenomenal in the Party Poker days. I don't think its changed much in the past few years though. Many regs aren't very good at understanding important concepts of PLO8 imo. I think its light years behind NLHE in terms of being "solved."

7. Not great because it is such a tough game to play live due to the split pot nature. Plus its a bit too confusing for new people.

Hi

Yes I have played with you - even found you at some mixed games not so long ago.

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Nice social engineering attemp btw

8.) How much taxes from O8 winnings did you pay for 2009?

1) 4-10, depending on how attentive i am. i play my best when i'm 6 tabling.

2) 6 max, more hands against bad players, dont need to hit supernuts to win a pot

4) i do. 23 and fresh out of college.

5) i dont really considering "winning" to be an upswing, i expect to make money everytime i start a session. my biggest downswing is 11K from a mix of stakes between 2-4 and 5-10.

6) game selection is more important than it used to be. i hate playing at tables with 4 other regs racing to see who can get the 1 donk's money. the "tough" plo8/nlo8 games used be 2 good regs, a couple weak-tight fish who just sat there losing 1 BB at a time, and a couple of droolers. now you have to actively look for good tables.

7) no idea, hopefully it grows because it's the only form of poker i'm proficient at.

Cant be right surely, what stakes O8 were you making nearly 1k VPP/hour?

20h a week to make SNE at O8 just doesnt happen

Im getting 600 an hour, but I play some .25/.50. If you swap those for 2/4, and mix in all the 1/2 tables (I dont), then you could do it. Not possible at all times of the day though, only when there's plenty running.

For a while I would play every table running between $1/2 and $10/20 on Stars.

FL or PL or NL or mix?

it will grow cause it is a chasing game more than most and donks love to play that type of style...

Absolutely possible if you are consistently 16-20 tabling. Particularly if playing 1/2 and higher.

I remember you mormoloco... I think we've gotten in a few fights..
I believe the game will grow if people don't berate the players that suck out when they don't know the game as well. It's a very fun game, a lot better than NLHE IMO just because like said it's not as solvable, there is less variance, and my moneys there for the taking

I would love to see a growth in the popularity... if a PLO8/NLO8 tournament was on espn that'd defininetly attract some people! let's get a chris moneymaker to win one eh??

1.) How many tables do you usually play?
Anywhere from 4 to 12. I could probably play 20 if I wanted, but I think that would take away from my reads, and I would turn more robotic, which is totally against what i believe my edge to be.

2.) Do you prefer 6-max or fullring? Why?
6 max, im very laggy, more hands per hour, your postflop play improves tremendously.

3.) How many VPP do you average per hour?
Now, about 800 at .25/.50, will be at 1/2 at some point so whatever that is for 10 tables.

4.) How many of you really grind here for a living?
Short term I am. This is my first year without any classes since I graduated. Part time during school I managed to make 3x what I could in an average starting salary. I have all the experience for a "real job," but don't think I will get this opportunity ever again. Poker has allowed me to travel all over the world, and has given me time to think what I want to do with my life eventually.

With that being said, I think poker can be a very unhealthy lifestyle. There is no way I could do this for a living long term. I think the loss of human interaction, and stresses of swings is more than enough evidence. Not to mention the psychological damage it can do. It has also damaged a lot of my friends, who went from motivated students to degens almost instantly, all for a little money. And some have no work experience, which will all but negate them from the job market. With that said, I see it as a means to an end, like I am aiming to pay for grad school and have a cushion in my savings.

I also think if you are going to grind you need a really rounded lifestyle. Like i never play 7 days out of the week. I eat good, exercise, and never pass on social commitments/gf time, and take plenty of vacations. I can't imagine people who playing everyday all year are truly happy, even if they are rich. But then again, people are happy married to their jobs.

5.) Round about what were you biggest up- and downswings?
Upswing was probably last decemeber. I have been supporting myself all through college, and was never able to build a proper roll since I was constantly cashing out (and also some of my internships didn't pay). I finally hit my stride and hit a score in the sunday million and went from a 3k-5k average bankroll, to about 15k-20k in a month, while still cashing out the same expenses. Eventually built it to another 30k-40k in another month. One particular session I sat down with 1k at 5/10 PLO8, and walked away a couple hours later with 10k. That was a good day.

Downswing has been this past August. I cashed out a large portion of my br for the wsop and a 2 month vacation. I probably had 10k playing 2/4 and 3/6 which is not enough, and I basically got slapped in the face with the deck. Even when i moved down to 1/2, its like the doomsday switch was turned on. This is one more reason, why I'm a br nit now. People who play for a living must be a br nit. Still playing .25/.50 with a 4500 br.

6.) What is your opinon about the games in comparison to 1 year ago or to 2 years ago?
Almost the same, regs have gotten a little better, the fish have gotten slightly better, but still nothing like what NL holdem has turned into.

7.) How do you predict Omaha8's popularity to be like in the future?
I've been playing since beginning of 07, and it seems like it hasn't increased or decreased, so i think it will be the same until people get sick/the edge dwindles in omaha. As many people have moved from holdem to omaha, hopefully this will happen with O8.

That was long.

wait, not 800 vpps/hour. Probably more like 200-300. Was thinking about hands lol.

PL and NL, never any FL

So you must be one of the best mid-stakes players if you are cranking out a winning at this - what was your winrate playing that mix? There are never higher PLO8 games than 2/4 usually running at FTP and I'd imagine if there were they would be full of tough opponents. Were there good enough games at Stars that you have a big edge playing 3/6 5/10 10/20 PLO8?

My winrate was fairly marginal because it was so hard to concentrate when playing so many tables. I was a solid winner though(not including FPP bonuses either). I don't keep PT stats though, so sorry but I can't be more exact.

Now I play 8 or less tables at a time and only play $2/4 and above on Stars, oftentimes shorthanded. This is a million times more enjoyable imo, and I think its more profitable as well. I think I'm done with my mass multi tabling days....just way too stressful.


Whether the big games run or not can be hit or miss. Yesterday, for example, there were two 6 max $10/20 PLO8 games running with full tables and a waiting list! Today however, theres no $5/10 or $10/20 running, although "plo8"(thats his username) is sitting alone at $5/10 so I could play him heads up if I wished. Right now there is one full ring $3/6 running, a few shorthanded $3/6s running, and 3 $2/4 full rings running.

I do think that its too difficult to beat $5/10+ if you're playing too many tables. I don't know of anyone who mass multitables while playing $5/10+ and is a winner at those stakes.