Poker Stars $20+$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 9 players
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BTN: t2881 M = 12.80
Hero (SB): t7825 M = 34.78
BB: t1700 M = 7.56
UTG: t2810 M = 12.49
UTG+1: t4523 M = 20.10
UTG+2: t2575 M = 11.44
MP1: t1442 M = 6.41
MP2: t1546 M = 6.87
CO: t3128 M = 13.90

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with A 4 7 2
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t150, 5 folds, Hero calls t75, BB checks

Flop: (t450) Q A A (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks

Turn: (t450) 2 (3 players)
Hero bets t300, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to t1350, Hero

Villain could have slow played aces full of queens for one round. Such a play is not uncommon.

Or Villain could have made aces full of deuces, or just be playing poorly and raising with something else, trying to be tricky or something.

Or it's not impossible for him to somehow have deuces full of aces with a low draw.

But my guess is Villain either has aces full of queens and slow played it for one round, or Villain has aces full of deuces. Since there are three missing queens and only two missing deuces, the former is more likely than the latter by roughly 3:2. (And Villain could also have something else which makes it closer to a toss-up.

Tough decision for Hero.

Buzz

i pretty much never fold here with no other information.

when the river bricks off and you have no lo and 3rd boat, you call his PSB for most of your stack?

I fold.

you are either dead beat, splitting with an A2 or villain is bluffing/low drawing

none of these situations is profitable except possilby the last with is also the least likely IMO.

Bob

Never folding the turn, especially with the low draw. Call and re-assess the river.

I fold. You have a very decent stack. Why risk most of it on a small chance that you are good (including freerolling) or chopping? Just fold and move on. Much better spots with your stack imo.

This seem like you are deliberately underplaying your hand. No raise PF, check the flop... How have you represented any strength or fit with the flop? Why would you assume Villian's bet is telling you he can beat AAA22?

I think he would be much more likely to be seeing your turn bet as a feeble attempt to push him off, and he is calling BS and raising. I would shove back unless I had a read. I wouldn't be surprised to see trip aces and a river suckout pairing his 6, either

I would be very surprised not to win half, and I think that the image you project could be +EV in future hands.

Regards

Gar

I agree with Jworth and amfox, if villain is slowplaing AQ** in a limped pot, he's an idiot

who knows? when that happens, we'll worry about it. I was talking with a friend about a hand who plays 25/50c plo8 and i coach and on a turn decision when i decided to see a river where effective stacks were a PSB and then he started asking what i would do on 300 different river situations. I told him that all of that is irrelevant because there are too many situations to discuss all of them. Same thing here. we don't know he'll jam river. Also we have the option to raise here or bet the river if we want. How opposed would you to be flatting here then betting river? his balls would have to be huge to bluff at us there. bad A's will call (depending on sizing), we block bluffs and we don't have to call a PSB then to find out we are beat.

1) There's heaps of idiots in this tournament
2) I'm checking AQ** behind on this flop 95% of the time.

Huh? You've got to have a plan for the rest of the hand, otherwise you're just blindly throwing money away here. For example, if we don't think he has AQ then we are going to have to commit more money on the river to find out. So this decision to call here is not just a decision to commit 1050 chips, it's probably another 1500 or so chips (and that's if we can trust ourself to b/f the river).

There aren't "too many situations" to discuss. There's just two: a) river gives us a low, b) river bricks.

I'm not saying have no clue what to do on later streets, but worrying about every single situation is too time consuming, especially if you get in this kind of spot during a game. Obv we aren't in game so if you'd like to discuss them all, then go ahead and list them. However, if you think there are only 2 situations on the river you need to learn to think about hands differently. Also, it isn't a guarantee if we call and check he will fire. a lot of people make 1 street bluffs on this kind of board because multi-street bluffs for stacks into the nuts is embarrassing. What if we lead and he min raises. What if he bets 1/3 the pot. what if he full pots. do we bet into him on all low cards or c/r. what if he times out on the river bet and folds or miss click checks AQ behind. What if he passes out when we minraise his turn raise. ok i'm done doing that. If you don't get my drift, don't worry about it because we just look at hands differently then and if you want the last word on the subject, go ahead and reply.

not having a river plan when you call a big raise on the turn - mistake.

you are not getting what i'm saying. I am not saying don't have a general idea but I said my idea and then he still asked what if... How is what i'm saying any different than amfox saying "re-assess the river". he didn't list specifics. Right now, i'm never folding for a multitude of reasons. Also, the lack of background given in the OP is dumb. If this guy is super nitty, it is a clear fold imo. However, if he is some random guy (which i'm assuming due to lack of description) i would call here. Ifmost agree it is a fold here, i will make sure I start raising people of 2nd nuts more often in the tournaments. also, you said "do you call his PSB" too, that is assuming a PSB. There is a lot of information I would have if I was playing to better decide the answer to that question. I do not know the answer but as for the turn issue with the information provided, i call.

Perhaps Villain is unwise if Hero sees the check for what it is and if Hero would call a bet here and then another on the next betting round(s). Otherwise Villain has the nuts for high (barring a royal flush), low will not get there something like three times out of four, and Hero will be confused by Villain's play and might read Villain for less than he has and pay off accordingly.

Villain's hand here is not as strong as quads, but it's very, very, very strong, easily strong enough to slow play for one round. It's only slightly weaker than flopping quads because it can be tied by another AQ** and possibly beaten by AK** (unless Villain has AKQ*).

How best to play the flopped nut ace/queen boat here depends on one's opponents, but certainly it is not idiotic to slow play it for one round against someone who doesn't immediately recognize the possibility of a one round slow play of the nut flopped full house.

Buzz

JWorth I wonder if you could search your DB and find an example of us of a hand where you flopped aces full of queens (or kings) and got action by fastplaying the flop?

why would he be an idiot? the only card that could possibly come and beat him is a K if someone has AK. If I have AQ there I want to give the other ace a free card, or maybe a Q if the turn is a Q, or someone picks up a low or flush draw and calls the turn.

Idiot is a strong word which I shouldnt have used, but I think he will get more value when he bets flop, building up the pot and stacking Axxx that make a boat on turn or river then checking and underreping his hand

Not folding. I get all in with a pair and nut low draw, never mind a full house.

ship the turn.... ur most likely freerolling with ur 47 for the low or the better boat... Viilian has AKJ2 imo

if he has a2jk ur not freerolling

i completely agree with this

as played tho i get it in on the turn

i like checking the flop with aq here

I am constantly amazed at the bad hands people turn over after giving a lot of action on an AAWH board. This texture seems to turn average players into total donks for some reason.

I don't know enough about O8 MTT strategy to say what your play is, but I think there's a decent chance you're good here based on experience in this situation.