Sup guys,

at 4PM ET today, I have a phone lesson with annie duke. i plan on asking her a bunch of plo8 questions and wouldn't mind asking a few for you guys either.

i guess just post here and i'll ask her for you...but hurry up its really soon!

isn't her thing nlhe tournaments? you are probably much better off asking this forum questions, there are several posters here who would likely rip her to shreds at plo8.

why woul you ask annie puke about anything plo8 related

You guys are insane and obv have never played wsop o8 events, I hate her personally but she is a tremendous o8 player. Especially deep in o8 tourneys shes incredible and crushes yours truly soul in 07 bubbling me out of 1500 dollar buy in horse

o8 and plo8 are two different games. like night and day sort of different.

She has a bracelet in O8.


How did it go outdrwn?

Not that I know anything myself, but it seems like one of those cases where people just dont like her from 10 mins of TV, so they assume she cant play.

Well she constantly defends Ultimate Bet which is despicable. However, she can clearly play O8.

She can clearly play LO8, and just about every form of limit poker, and NLHE tournaments. But she should be asking us questions about PLO8.

Ask her what she thinks about late tourney hand ranges and late position stealing. Looking forward to what you have to share. Thank you.

ask her when she will come to play PLO8 on pokerstars and report back. I'm sure a few people would be curious

not at all. i just think that the plo8 specialists would have an edge against the TV pros in the game, at least for a while.

exactly. this.

sucks for OP. i'd hate to have to try to get in word one in a phone call with that blowhard.

if i had to pick a female player to take a lesson from, it would be cindy violette. she plays so many limit games well.

it's kind of funny what the guy above said about plo8 and o8. the differences can't really be compared to the differences between LHE and NLHE, imo, and i agree the two games are very different, but it's kind of odd that i find that a player who is adept at O8 and nlhe both usually does very well at PLO8, but it doesn't always work in reverse.

(speaking in very specific terms, obviously, beyond the apparent themes/concepts that apply to poker univerally, i.e., position, value, aggression, etc)

i wouldn't say she can't play O8, but I'd be inclined to think she's probably a better NLHE tournament player, and since i don't think she'd be in my top 100 of NLHE tourney players, she probably wouldn't be too high up on the O8 list, either.

and unless annie has a stars/tilt account and has played 100,000+ hands of PLO8 (almost 0% chance), she's really going to be fishing in the dark trying to give a lesson on PLO8 to anyone who has a reasonable amount of experience playing...which won't workout real well for her ego or her incessant need to be right.

might be funny though...

most people in this forum could give you better advice about O8 then annie duke.

just curious, how many people have played O8 with her? Also, how many of you have played the limits she has? Only reason I said the previous comment about stars name is because I doubt she has played much PLO8 and I enjoy playing live pros in plo8 (hachem, raymer a little, i think moneymaker once maybe that was plo). I don't think all the hate is necessary and who knows, maybe we could learn a thing or two

Regardless of how good Annie Duke is or isn't, read anything she has written about the game and it becomes pretty clear that she, like so many top players, is nowhere near able to articulate her game (or be "left-brain conscious" of her game) at nearly the level that she plays.

Hellmuth is another one like this. The guy has won 11 bracelets, but all he seems capable of offering in writing is kindergarten-level strategy about playing the "top 10 hands."

Hey, I like that. I'm going to have to remember that the next time I post something and it comes out all garbled.

Jesus, you PL/NL guys are such ego maniacs. What's wrong with having an open mind? Maybe she does play PLO8 and maybe she can give OP some hints or tips that might help him to become a better player...

That said, she is one annoying b@tch.

Why would any expert really care to articulate their game to others???

They wouldn't. Most of the trashy paperback poker strategy guides are thrown together by co-writers and slapped with the name of a pro just to make money.

Also I'd be surprised if Annie hasn't played in a PLO8 mix game a few times in her life. All of the mouth breathers chiming in here could probably learn a thing or 2 about grinding from the pros.

But some of those books are actually good. Sometimes the writer takes pride in the project, and that trumps the base profit motive of protecting your game. Moreover, IMHO when you write trash and put your name to it your reputation is affected -- which affects future income.

I'm played in live action PL mix games like you describe, both private and in B&M. You are right in that the top pros can generally adjust to any poker game, but it is interesting the leaks they have. With respect to PLO8 at least, they look on the game in a completely different way. While they make good reads, they play different starting hands, they get a lot more aggressive, and in general put themselves in a bad spot often enough by overplaying their hands.

In other words, I would expect Annie could give great poker advice generally but would not be useful trying to wonk through the numbers in a PLO8 hand.

this is probably not true. a few people could... but not most, imo.

the quality of advice on this forum is still fairly questionable. i lol often.

I am not an Annie Duke fan, but i must say very good posts from BooNaNy and Davebreal.

Wow some incedible egos on here.