I don't have PTO and I'm not trawling through all my hand histories for this so I'm just going to give a rough idea of what happened.

I was on the button with TTXX and the "villain" was the SB.

The blinds were 2/5c I put out a raise and SB called and so did someone in middle position.

Flop was T22

I put out a pot sized bet and SB calls MP folds

Turn 3

That irritated me since I had no low draw and I thought now would be a good time to end the hand so I put out another pot sized bet. I got called.

River was a 2. The pot was about $6 by this point and I checked and SB pushed with $2. At the time I thought it was a pretty obvious fold but I called anyway, despite being in a very similar situation in a NLHE game and instantly remembering that HSP hand lol.

No FLush cards BTW

What was I beating? A miricle 3s full? Not likely. Anyway I'm still pretty pissed off with my donkey call a few days later. I might be a bit overly critical but given the way the hand went down and the fact that I have top full house with nothing else really to bet all in with I feel I missed out on making a good lay down.

BTW I've been playing PLO8 a little recently and I really like the game and I want to get really good. I'm a bit behind on the last couple of days cos I made the dumbarse mistake of pushing with a naked nut low.... twice in one session

Well, top boat loses to rivered quad junk, how can you be so upset with yourself? Did he also have A4? That would be another argument in favor of not beating yourself to a bloody pulp. In reviewing the hand, make sure you consider whether the 4:1 odds on your call ($2 to win $8) are good enough, or if this villain shows up with a deuce more than 80% of the time. If he does then you should have folded. I think you played it right until the river, at that point only you can really know if you should call this villain, and even then it's not clear.

The reason I was annoyed with myself is that I wound up calling based on the strength of my hand not the possible strength of my opponents. I think i was probably showing more emotion and self critisism than normal but I want brutally honest responeses to my posts (I'll never get better otherwise).

The player in question is one of the loosest donks at the stars PL10 O8 tables (and that's really saying something) but is quite passive towards the river and will only bet if she has something.

It's only one hand and a rare situation but I like to think I know how to make decent lay downs cos I'm worried that I am a little on the weak side. This hand was a failure to do so.

Oh and to answer your question, there wasnt a low possible anyway, obv. But I dont think my opponent had any low draw execpt maybe A2 she has a propensity to play any trash dealt to her.

This has happened to me many times. But really, it happens so rarely that its not worth worrying about. However I will say "I wanted to end the hand right here" is not the sort of strategy you should have at any point in any cash game. Trying to kill the hand is something more suited to freezeout tournaments, where tournament life is at stake. If you have the best hand, you want to make money from it in profitable situations, you do not want the other guy to fold! So if possible, you should try to put the other player(s) on a hand, and then calculate their pot odds/equity, and then charge them an amount that is unprofitable for them to call (but still looks enticing or affects them in a psychological way which induces them to call or even raise).

Basically you have to think that she has a deuce much of the time, or maybe an overpair, she's shooting for some backdoor hand, or a combination. On the flop, I would guess that her EV is around 0.300 (in percentage terms 25% for backdoor low using two of three other cards + ~5-10% for the one to three outer), probably less. Then on the turn its a low card, so that makes her chances of a low on the river about 35%. I believe due to it being for half you half that %, and then you add the half the ~5-10%. So her EV is ~0.150-0.250 or maybe less. Of course you can't calculate that quickly, but to know these things off the top of your head helps. Then you can make very good profitable bet sizes.

That said, if you're sure they will call more, bet more! Remember some players are more likely to call a large bet than a small bet, and some the other way around. Hope this helps.

Yes you're right It's just that all my losses come from when I've been outdrawn and I stubbornley look my opponent up despite having a pretty good idea that I'm behind. I hate making weak folds on the river because I always feel I'm going to be annihilated by someone exploiting that. It's the worst part of my game.

On the EV front yeah the percentages for seperate parts of the pot need to be halved. I'm pretty good at mental arithmetic but O8 is a little more complicated than I'm used to so a few key numbers will be helpful, cheers.

TTxx is not a great hand.

yeah I know. But I'm sat at a table where players are willing to play something like 257J for a raise. I was just showing a little aggression on the button.

At this point, SB probably does not put Hero on TTXX. Instead, assuming SB knows the game, SB probably has 2XYZ with XYZ possibly being an ace and two honor cards - and SB probably puts Hero on a deuce, possibly A2YZ, possibly 2TYZ. SB probably hopes he hits one of his high card outs to make a higher full house than Hero. I don't want to carp, but I guess I will. When you wrote that your starting hand was TTXX, I vaguely wondered what the XX was. I can see playing TTXX if the XX part of the hand is TTA2 or TTA3-suited to the ace - something like that. KKXX-double-suited? O.K., maybe something like that too, as a speculative hand.

At any rate, you pot it, and I think that's fine and correct. You're playing a hand Villain cannot put you on - which is actually great for you - but the consequence is Villain is probably going to be calling your pot sized bets with 2XYZ, especially with 2AKQ, 2AJT, or some such hand.
This points out one of the huge differences between playing fixed-limit and playing pot-limit. In either game you have to put Villain probably on 2XYZ, although there is always the off chance that Villain is doing something stupid like over-playing aces and then decides to make a move when you check the river. But the pot size is so large relative to the final bet size in fixed limit that it may be reasonable in many games to call one more big bet anyhow, just to keep from getting pushed around on future hands. But in pot limit, the cost of calling that last bet is simply too expensive. You are going to get out-played (bluffed) by someone over-playing aces (or kings or queens or jacks) when you check on the river, but proportion of time Villain will be doing something foolish like that is not high enough to continue. Of course you never want any of these opponents to know you folded tens full on the river.

I just got back after five days away and am gradually catching up on posts I haven't read yet. There are such great responses from other posters that I feel humbled in offering my own opinion. But, for what it's worth, that's it.

Buzz