10-20-2013 , 11:20 AM
Yeah convos run its course, we are done.
10-20-2013 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by flipya4dinna

What question, that wadzon actually shoves 90%+? Then yes i call wide, wide being like top 10% of hands, which is going to be 33%+ of hands i have limped, higher if i, ya know ADJUST to my opponents tendancys. I would call for the same reasons Wadzon called the shove in the example.
Right we have some figures.

So you limp 30%, fold 20%, call 10%.

Wadzon's hand is a 14th percentile hand 3 handed.

I can now run some maths both on your call ranges will also do it for Wadzo's call, because somehow we have got this far in the convo with very little maths.
10-20-2013 , 12:24 PM
Its pointless running it against wadzons hand, if your going to do it you have to do it against wadzons range. Stick wazons (or any super good reg that will punish us here) range of 90% and show brunolf how amazing wadzons \$ev.
10-20-2013 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by flipya4dinna
Its pointless running it against wadzons hand, if your going to do it you have to do it against wadzons range. Stick wazons (or any super good reg that will punish us here) range of 90% and show brunolf how amazing wadzons \$ev.
show if from juicy's perspective. if there are hands he can call with, you can do wadzon's \$ev as well. waht's the point of it if he knows that juicy has to (and will) fold? If I'm wrong about the must fold of juicy, so be it
10-20-2013 , 01:02 PM
I have just run Wadzon's call against a 90% shove range of Juicy (I doubt juicy shoves 90% there, but just as you stated 90%).

The call is +\$4.1087943.

I will publish figures all workings latter as I am going out tonight.
10-20-2013 , 01:06 PM
lol oh dear, thats not what i meant at all. Obv J isnt shoving 90%, I meant wadzon shoving over a limp 90% as brunolf was implying. Just reread my post, its pretty clear after your post.

Quote:
So you limp 30%, fold 20%, call 10%.

Wadzon's hand is a 14th percentile hand 3 handed.
10-20-2013 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by flipya4dinna
lol oh dear, thats not what i meant at all. Obv J isnt shoving 90%, I meant wadzon shoving over a limp 90% as brunolf was implying. Just reread my post, its pretty clear after your post.
Dude.

I will be doing all the calcs.

The very original query was Wadz's call versus J's range.

Try some patience or do the calc's yourself sir.

And since you know it all, I do need advice on actually calcing side pot ICM, which is what failed me on Wal's hand.
10-20-2013 , 02:40 PM
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(I doubt juicy shoves 90% there, but just as you stated 90%).
I have patience, you done a calc for something nobody is suggesting, then stated that i suggested it.

The only way i think it can be done accuratly would be to calculate all possible outcomes of the hand then use a look up table to calculate ICM for each of the 3 players (this is how hem and pt4 calculates). Seen as you have no look up table **** knows how to do it accuratly. However we can do a simpler version of just figuring the bb ICM with his possible out comes, although this is still long winded. When we know bb ICM we have at leastt a gauge to figure what kind of ICM the two large stacks have to over come to be +ev in the hand.
10-20-2013 , 03:59 PM
why are you being so irritating with every1?
10-20-2013 , 04:18 PM
Im done in the thread, gl all.
10-20-2013 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by flipya4dinna
I have patience, you done a calc for something nobody is suggesting, then stated that i suggested it.

The only way i think it can be done accuratly would be to calculate all possible outcomes of the hand then use a look up table to calculate ICM for each of the 3 players (this is how hem and pt4 calculates). Seen as you have no look up table **** knows how to do it accuratly. However we can do a simpler version of just figuring the bb ICM with his possible out comes, although this is still long winded. When we know bb ICM we have at leastt a gauge to figure what kind of ICM the two large stacks have to over come to be +ev in the hand.
The you wasn't you. It was Brun. I think you'll find the original assertion when this hand was posted that it was a bad call. NVM.

I use PQL on Propokertools.

This gives me a return for all split pot scenarios and their percentages.

I then calculate the stack sizes in each scenario.

I then calculate the ICM with these stack sizes and multiply by the %s. I do all this through Excel.

I have only ever done this for simple HU calculations.

I assume you knew how to do it because of how confident you were with your assertions.

I was clearly wrong. Who needs facts though when words and conjecture will do though.

If only we could get people banned for acting continually like a douche. If only this was your final appearance in this thread. I'll pay you \$50 to stay away for a week. Maybe we can have a whip around for donations to make it a month or so.

Last edited by streityboy; 10-20-2013 at 05:24 PM.
10-20-2013 , 05:46 PM
not to be nitpicking, but I didn't request the 90% shoving range by juicy either he's the smaller stack, so I think he is waaaay tighter than that. thanks for doing the calcs though, maybe you can do 1 or 2 more?!
Is it possible to do it 3 ways with ozenc all-in as well? If not, leave him out maybe and only calc main pot?
so what is most interesting for me: juicy limps, wadzon ships (let's say the extreme 90% by shakey), ozenc calls (95-100%?) and then you can put in a hand for juicy (either extreme AA23ds or maybe 5%?). this one would be awesome to see: can juicy ever call here?
10-22-2013 , 05:37 PM
chip ev since last tuesday

10-23-2013 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
chip ev since last tuesday

- move up to where they respect your raises
- move down to where it doesnt matter to run bad
- But How Much Did You Lose ?
10-23-2013 , 11:38 AM
around 3k
10-23-2013 , 05:44 PM
Hello guys,

Is there any difference in difficulty level between 7\$ and 15\$? I thought it would be the same because the same faces show up in both but somehow I can't beat these 15\$.
10-23-2013 , 06:05 PM
Ev graph since last tuesday after getting crushed again today. At least Im only down around 3k in ev on the year according to PT4 anyway which is not much considering the swings in these. What gets me is I feel like I've been told how good I run more often than ever this past week.

10-24-2013 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ziemni0k
Hello guys,

Is there any difference in difficulty level between 7\$ and 15\$? I thought it would be the same because the same faces show up in both but somehow I can't beat these 15\$.

Quote:
Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
Ev graph since last tuesday after getting crushed again today. At least Im only down around 3k in ev on the year according to PT4 anyway which is not much considering the swings in these. What gets me is I feel like I've been told how good I run more often than ever this past week.

I have never thought you ran **** hot J tbh. Obv haven't really played u that recently but still.

Are you using it to push your game higher?
10-24-2013 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Ziemni0k
Hello guys,

Is there any difference in difficulty level between 7\$ and 15\$? I thought it would be the same because the same faces show up in both but somehow I can't beat these 15\$.
7s are always soft...15s are soft at times and at other times they can be tougher than 100s it just depends on who's in the lineup.
10-24-2013 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by streityboy
I have never thought you ran **** hot J tbh. Obv haven't really played u that recently but still.

Are you using it to push your game higher?
For me losing as always been a great motivator to work on improving and making sure I dont slack in terms of volume so as much as downswings suck at the time I view them as beneficial in the long run which makes them a bit easier to deal with. I have probably made more adjustments this month than I have all year and although both actual results and adjusted ev have not been great this month coming off a really strong September I feel like going forward I am a better player.

I'm currently sitting on 155k vpps so I had already planned on putting in a heavy volume November anyway since not making 200k is unacceptable. This will just make that easier.
10-24-2013 , 07:50 AM
This is something I probably will never do but while getting high just now I had this thought and am interested in what others think of it. In weaker line ups opening to 4 or 5x during early blind levels with the plan of getting it in on most flops. 4x seems big enough that you should get a similar amount of folds compared to a shove and weaker players are likely to fold too much on the flop.
10-24-2013 , 01:36 PM
I would liked to have been in this discussion. However i fear i will just get insulted every post, then be told im being a douch bag. So for the sake of my own delicate feelings im just going to spend my free time browsing porn instead.
10-24-2013 , 03:01 PM
What concerns me is that I'm running above ev. Will have to pay the price. Or then the ev has to go up faster, would of course be the better alternative
10-25-2013 , 12:05 PM
I'm around \$5,000 under EV so far this year. But w/e
10-25-2013 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Angribob
I'm around \$5,000 under EV so far this year. But w/e
At least things even out eventually right I wonder which players are the most over / under ev. Janiosmo is good and all but I'm guessing hes like 10k over ev lol

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