Over the last 2 days I have played 40, 18 person O8 SNGs. I have a a slight positive ROI, but what concerns me is how many times I have finished in 5th which makes me the bubble b**ch. Should I be concerned and try to fix something or since I am getting "deeep" keep playing the same

40 SNGs
40 times on the final table
2x 1st place
4x 2nd place
2x 3rd place
2x 4th place
15x 5th place
15x 6-9th place

40 SNGs means nothing...just too small of a sample to draw any valid info from.

In NLHE SNG's lots of bubble finishes coupled with lots of firsts is not necessarily a bad sign as the player is likely pushbotting well on the bubble and either accumulating chips or, unfortunately, running into big hands.

My guess is that you should be thinking about accumulating chips in +EV spots rather than reaching the final table. This is particularly true as you get closer to the bubble.

Bubble play is far and away the most important concept in SNG s.

Absolutely.

However,
still sort of stands out to me.

I don't ever really play 18ers but I would guess 40 in a row without going out on the first table is a big anomaly. Coupled with the 15 fifths vs. only 2 fourths and 2 thirds, I'd bet it's probably not a bad idea to work on loosening up.

(But that doesn't mean you should just will yourself to play looser on command or something... it's probably a mindset thing... just try to be more willing to lose and willing to win ugly, and with experience you'll get used to when you want to splash around more.)

If you make profit you should be happy.

But looking at your finish position it looks like you are playing super tight and if cards do not come perfectly you just get blinded to death

Yeah. Try shifting gears when the 1st table gets short handed. This is the time to accumulate chips.

I think a better distribution is lots of 1st-4th and a cluster of 10th-15th

That is actually what I was thinking. At first I was happy to finish most of the time in the top 5 but it was killing me that I took 5th 6 times in a row and at each final hand I lost with with either AAxx or A23X or something close to that and each beat was to a horrible hand to the chip leader. Usually something like 379K with 2 pair winning. That is what made me think something was wrong with my play. Today I will try to expand my opening range.

Also do any of you multi sng'ers use a tracker. What do you recommend for SNG's. I have PT3 for ring games but havent used it much for sng's yet.

Played 25, 18 person sng's so far, only made final table 17 time but finished in top 3 8 times and are positive ROI for the day so far. I have also come to see that AAxx in sng's is a horrible hand. When I play ring games I like to shove all in pre flop and generally you get one caller so its a coin flip with me starting ahead. In sng's you get 4 callers with junk and it usually gets sucked out.

I'd advise you to get the notion of AAxx being 'a horrible hand' out of your head immediately.

just play slower in the beginning of the sng.. when you know you are going to get callers. It sounds like you play NL if you shove AA pre.. PL takes more skill.

Trying to post a graph detailing my 2000 18mans sngs

Idk if it is working or not but here

1. 154/8.05%
2.120/6.27%
3.125/6.53%
4.119/6.22%
5.111/5.8%
6.139/7.24%
7.110/5.75%
8.117/6.12%
9.106/5.54%
10.128/6.69%
11.126/6.59%
12.112/5.85%
13.98/5.12%
14.88/4.6%
15.81/4.23%
16.55/2.88%
17.66/3.45%
18.58/3.03%

Should equal 1922

this

May I ask where you got this data from? I will post mine if this is available online (i.e. not through a HUD).

From the sound of this, you must be playing the $1.75 games (or the $3.40 at the time everyone is drunk). You should be ALWAYS shoving aces pre in $1.75s (from any position at any level) and if you get 3 callers, **** happens. What you describe certain does not happen as often. In O8, AAXX VS any non-AA hand is at least a coinflip (if they have an A in their hand, you're a fav), you'll take any edge you can get in a game where equities are more equally distributed (compared to NL Holdem).

When you're near the bubble (6 players or less), I would take into more consideration the chip stacks at the table. There are situations where you can bully by shoving any hand knowing you're gonna get called by like 5% of hands. Conversely, there are situations where it might be correct to fold a hand like A23T (say with 5 players left at 300/600, you have 4k in the BB, SB is the chipleader with 9k, UTG has 500, UTG+1 and BB shoves on you after the first 3 opponents muck).

When you're shoving, pick your spots (if the chip leader is in the BB and has been calling a lot, don't shove too wide if you're on the button)!

I believe he got it from sharkscope. If you are a subscriber you can get access to this info.

Since i wrote this I am way ahead on AAxx so i think I was just in a bad run. I play 3.40 and 6.50 for the most part. I have close to 3000 sng history but only in the last week have I attempted to take it serious so I will see where I am after a weeks worth of history to worry about where I am as far as finishing position.

It is crazy that I can finish in the money for 6 or 7 in a row then win nothing for 15 in a row. WTF.... o'well, such is life

Sharkscope, did a search for 18 mans, then under more options where you can see like by monthly daily etc, they have sng places, i set it for 10-18 etc...

This is mine: