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06-20-2010 , 07:40 AM
It's towards the very end of the night, I've just been moved to a new table, that seems pretty active. I've played (and not won) the last couple hands in a row so I probably have an active/aggro image, thought I don't think people perceived me as steaming or anything, but you never know after losing a couple in a row how people will assume you will react. The villain has played and won a lot of recent hands as well.

limits 600/1200, blinds 300/600. I have ~10k

I limp AT43 in MP, CO limps, BTN (villain) limps, SB limps, BB checks.

(Not sure about this limp, but the players behind me were pretty passive and coldcalled pretty liberally it seemed.)

Flop AJ6

Checks to BTN who bets, blind fold I call, CO calls.

Turn J

Checks to BTN who bets, CO telegraphs he is going to fold, I call, figuring my low draws are almost always live and my FD might once in a while be live, since this player could be barreling a 32 or Ax type hand once in a while.

River Q

I c/c the nut flush getting 7:1


I feel like I butchered this hand and got in some weird loose/passive chasing for half mode. Thoughts on preflop, turn, river?

Last edited by Buzz; 06-20-2010 at 05:07 PM.
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06-20-2010 , 09:40 AM
Pre: limping to open is just horrible. You must open raise to try to promote your second suit.

Flop: I bet out here more often than not (60%) to give everyone the chance to fold, especially the naked Aw hands who might hit 2 pair on the turn. When I don't bet and button does, I will nearly always raise to get hu.

Turn: not sure which diamond came, gonna assume it's 6 based on your post. Cc is fine

River: cc is fine as played.

Note that if you lead the flop and get raised, you can put the button on a set and save a big bet later.

I agree completely with the final scentence of your post.
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06-20-2010 , 10:21 AM
You should raise preflop. I think you should be checking the flop, because 5 handed your hand is pretty weak. However, you must raise once it gets back to you. You most likely have half and you want the cutoff to fold and get the pot heads up.
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06-20-2010 , 03:55 PM
Edit: the flop was actually A6:J and the turn was J
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06-20-2010 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JDalla
It's towards the very end of the night, I've just been moved to a new table, that seems pretty active. I've played (and not won) the last couple hands in a row so I probably have an active/aggro image, thought I don't think people perceived me as steaming or anything, but you never know after losing a couple in a row how people will assume you will react. The villain has played and won a lot of recent hands as well.

limits 600/1200, blinds 300/600. I have ~10k

I limp AT43 in MP, CO limps, BTN (villain) limps, SB limps, BB checks.

(Not sure about this limp, but the players behind me were pretty passive and coldcalled pretty liberally it seemed.)
Looks fine to me.

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Flop AJ6

Checks to BTN who bets, blind fold I call, CO calls.
I think you get more information if you directly bet the flop, rather than check/calling. This is a thin flop fit, but you now have a pair of aces, a draw to 3rd nut low, and the back-door diamonds. Bet it to see how your opponents react.

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Turn J

Checks to BTN who bets, CO telegraphs he is going to fold, I call, figuring my low draws are almost always live and my FD might once in a while be live, since this player could be barreling a 32 or Ax type hand once in a while.
Seems right.

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River Q

I c/c the nut flush getting 7:1
Yes. I like a check to induce a bluff or thin value bet - and then a call to pick off the possible bluff. Villain probably doesn't have the full house, but you never know.

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I feel like I butchered this hand and got in some weird loose/passive chasing for half mode. Thoughts on preflop, turn, river?
I don't think you butchered the hand. I would have bet the flop, but otherwise I think you played fine.

Buzz
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06-20-2010 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzz
I don't think you butchered the hand. I would have bet the flop, but otherwise I think you played fine.

Buzz
This.
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06-20-2010 , 06:30 PM
raise pre

bet/call flop

bet/fold turn

bet river
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06-20-2010 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
raise pre

bet/call flop

bet/fold turn

bet river
in a cash game maybe, it's a mistake imo to go for thin value and hammer bets into the pot when they represent a significant portion of your stack. (talking mostly abut the river.)
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06-21-2010 , 06:37 PM
I think the play was fine. Definately not butchered, no part of the hand has been played awfully. I don't see any value in raising the river, so c/c is OK.
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06-21-2010 , 10:52 PM
ok was prob just being results oriented since I dont have a ton of volume lifetime in the game (esp. not in live MTTs.) He had AJ which is what I thought he most likely holding was at the time, I wasn't considering a checkraise.
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06-22-2010 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JDalla
in a cash game maybe, it's a mistake imo to go for thin value and hammer bets into the pot when they represent a significant portion of your stack. (talking mostly abut the river.)
Well I did say bet/fold turn - so you would've got raised and then folded if you took the line I suggested. If just called on the turn however its not a thin river bet at all. Gotta bet wide when the low misses and an ace flush aint wide at all assuming opponents are passive till the river.
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