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11-01-2014 , 05:19 PM

belg_owner

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,264

Hello readers.

Gl to all this month (it will be the last month with decent rake on ps fyi)

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Events

Micromillions! Lots of chips and beginners! But these can take a while..
From start to finish (fstf)

Nov 11 MM-event 048 3.3$ plo8 10kgtd fstf 8h20m
Nov 12 MM-event 059 3.3$ flo8 5kgtd fstf 7h30m
Nov 16 MM-event 096 3.3$r nlo8 25k gtd fstf (?)
Nov 16 MM-event 089 5.5$ nlo8-5c 10kgtd fstf 8h20m

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11-01-2014 , 07:13 PM

Counterfeiter

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 208

Hello Belg.

THank you for the info. For low stakes plo8 players, I play sitngos from 1 to 5 dollars , on ladbrokes poker ( IpokerNetwork ) , there are more ( micro ) PLO8 sit n gos running there then on PS, and they are much easier to win.

They do well lack of tourneys for PLO8 but is worth the connection for the sit n gos

GL at the tables.

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11-01-2014 , 07:18 PM

streityboy

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,551

Quote:

Originally Posted by Counterfeiter

Please post a screenshot of PLO8 sngs at peak times on Ladbrokes. Would be quite interested to see.

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11-01-2014 , 07:39 PM

Counterfeiter

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 208

This is now. ( at night ) , for example yesterday, there was one 1and 2 and 5 euros table running every 10/15 minute. between 7 and 10 pm. Thats already a lot more then on PS, where you can wait for an hour to play a micro limit PLO8 SNG ( from my experience )

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11-02-2014 , 06:49 AM

Counterfeiter

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 208

GL for the omania plo8 3 k guaranteed neilcaterham, see your registered, see you at FT

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11-02-2014 , 10:57 AM

Counterfeiter

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 208

29 players left 27 in the money.

Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (700/1,400 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 7 Players

BB: 27,197 (19.4 bb)
MP1: 15,426 (11 bb)
MP2: 8,708 (6.2 bb)
Hero (MP3): 9,354 (6.7 bb)
CO: 14,716 (10.5 bb)
BTN: 29,753 (21.3 bb)
SB: 6,618 (4.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 2

2 folds, Hero raises to 4,900, 3 folds, BB calls 3,500

Flop: (10,500) 8

(2 players)
BB bets 10,500, Hero calls 4,454 and is all-in

Turn: (19,408) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (19,408) K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

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11-02-2014 , 02:34 PM

Brunolf

adept

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 842

not playing any mid or high stakes tournaments anymore. Bad regulars (Nr 1 Enemy, Latvia) keep doing this every time I try to play one of those...

Poker Stars, $75 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32292402

Hero (SB): 3,604 (120.1 bb)
Kar0lka (BB): 3,779 (126 bb)
Nr 1 Enemy (UTG): 6,315 (210.5 bb)
Velik4o1 (MP): 2,790 (93 bb)
helda2 (CO): 2,366 (78.9 bb)
Tongare (BTN): 2,276 (75.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

Nr 1 Enemy raises to 60, Velik4o1 folds, helda2 calls 60, Tongare folds, Hero raises to 240, Kar0lka folds, Nr 1 Enemy raises to 6,315 and is all-in, helda2 folds, Hero calls 3,364 and is all-in

Flop: (7,298) 4

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (7,298) Q

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (7,298) 3

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 7,298 pot
Final Board: 4

Hero showed A

and lost (-3,604 net)
Nr 1 Enemy showed Q

and won 7,298 (3,694 net)

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11-02-2014 , 02:42 PM

Counterfeiter

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 208

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brunolf

not playing any mid or high stakes tournaments anymore. Bad regulars (Nr 1 Enemy, Latvia) keep doing this every time I try to play one of those...

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (7,298) Q

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (7,298) 3

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 7,298 pot
Final Board: 4

Hero showed A

and lost (-3,604 net)
Nr 1 Enemy showed Q

and won 7,298 (3,694 net)

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your river is as nice as mine,

ul and gl for the future

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11-02-2014 , 04:28 PM

Counterfeiter

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 208

yess

Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (300/600 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 9 Players

Hero (UTG+2): 18,910 (31.5 bb)
MP1: 15,694 (26.2 bb)
MP2: 6,690 (11.2 bb)
MP3: 5,433 (9.1 bb)
CO: 9,038 (15.1 bb)
BTN: 3,477 (5.8 bb)
SB: 2,578 (4.3 bb)
BB: 3,489 (5.8 bb)
UTG+1: 3,344 (5.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A

UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to 1,800, MP1 calls 1,800, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to 5,433 and is all-in, 3 folds, BB calls 2,889 and is all-in, Hero calls 3,633, MP1 calls 3,633

Flop: (20,088) 7

(4 players, 2 are all-in)
Hero bets 10,044, MP1 raises to 10,261 and is all-in, Hero calls 217

Turn: (40,610) 9

(4 players, 3 are all-in)
River: (40,610) Q

(4 players, 3 are all-in)

Spoiler:

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11-02-2014 , 04:41 PM

#10

belg_owner

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,264

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brunolf

not playing any mid or high stakes tournaments anymore. Bad regulars (Nr 1 Enemy, Latvia) keep doing this every time I try to play one of those...

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (7,298) Q

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (7,298) 3

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 7,298 pot
Final Board: 4

Hero showed A

and lost (-3,604 net)
Nr 1 Enemy showed Q

and won 7,298 (3,694 net)

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

Try to run this hand a 100 times, u will be glad u got it in this way. It sucks that u lost..

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11-02-2014 , 04:49 PM

#11

Brunolf

adept

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 842

Quote:

Originally Posted by belg_owner

Try to run this hand a 100 times, u will be glad u got it in this way. It sucks that u lost..

this way? look at that flop! not getting at least half there is criminal

he was sitting on 3x starting stack mit my bustout and slowly bled all the chips away. took him 45 minutes to do that...

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11-02-2014 , 05:05 PM

#12

Counterfeiter

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 208

yes again

Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 6 Players

MP: 11,313 (9.4 bb)
CO: 54,388 (45.3 bb)
BTN: 25,740 (21.5 bb)
SB: 16,846 (14 bb)
Hero (BB): 47,776 (39.8 bb)
UTG: 23,937 (19.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5

UTG folds, MP raises to 4,200, 3 folds, Hero raises to 12,000, MP calls 7,113 and is all-in

Flop: (23,226) 6

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (23,226) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (23,226) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

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11-02-2014 , 05:31 PM

#13

Counterfeiter

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 208

Can anyone explain villain's call ? this is a FT, ... I think the answer is that the buy in was 2.20 lmao

Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players

BTN: 82,479 (51.5 bb)
SB: 31,480 (19.7 bb)
BB: 31,592 (19.7 bb)
Hero (CO): 34,449 (21.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T

Hero raises to 4,800, BTN calls 4,800, 2 folds

Flop: (12,000) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets 8,400, BTN raises to 16,800, Hero raises to 29,649 and is all-in, BTN calls 12,849

Turn: (71,298) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (71,298) K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

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11-02-2014 , 06:36 PM

#14

belg_owner

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,264

@brunolf u got it in pre, what happens after u should not care about. U got it in good!
@count 2$ buy in ;-)

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11-03-2014 , 06:09 PM

#15

Buzz

gramps

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 18,254

Quote:

Originally Posted by Counterfeiter

Can anyone explain villain's call ?

I don't think anyone can know what Villain was thinking. But perhaps I can make sense out of his actions for you.

BTN showed A

, a very decent, albeit not great, starting hand (very decent because it has ace-deuce with a five for counterfeit protection - not great because it lacks high card strength)... At any rate it's certainly a hand with which I'd want to see the flop.

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[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players

BTN: 82,479 (51.5 bb)
SB: 31,480 (19.7 bb)
BB: 31,592 (19.7 bb)
Hero (CO): 34,449 (21.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T

Hero raises to 4,800, BTN calls 4,800, 2 folds

BTN's pre-flop call (rather than making it three bets) seems to me a matter of style.

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Flop: (12,000) Q

(2 players)

This is a good flop for Hero, but Villain doesn't know that.

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Hero bets 8,400, BTN raises to 16,800,

I don't know why BTN raises here. I think it's a mistake for BTN to raise here. Perhaps BTN thinks because he has the A

, he can scare Hero enough to induce Hero to fold. (BTN can see that Hero cannot have the nut flush draw... and, perhaps because of poor advice given elsewhere, many Omaha-8 players are loathe to draw for a flush without the nut flush draw).

What to do after Hero bets 8,400 on this flop is a hard decision for BTN, especially if he views Hero as overly aggressive. Should he fold? Should he call? Perhaps BTN (incorrectly) reasons Hero cannot have a strong fit with this flop without the A

.

At any rate, BTN raises, probably not expecting a shove from an opponent who doesn't have the A

.

I believe this raise is BTN's mistake. BTN has to fold to Hero's flop bet. But I think it's a tough decision for BTN.

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Hero raises to 29,649 and is all-in, BTN calls 12,849

The pot at this point is
12,000+16,800+29,649=58,449
and it costs BTN 12,849 to make this call. Thus BTN is getting pot odds of 58,449/12,849=~4.55/1.

1/5.55=0.18 or 18.0%

for this call to be the wrong decision for an expert BTN, he has to be behind in pot equity more than 18.0% to 82.0%. And an expert BTN should reason he's probably not behind by that much.

Indeed, BTN is only behind by about 23 to 77 as shown in the following simulation:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

820 trials (Exhaustive)

board: Q

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
TdKs2sAh	76.74%	465	611	121	0	144
As2dTh5h	23.26%	56	88	121	64	144

So, ICM considerations aside, and because BTN made a mistake earlier, BTN has favorable odds to make this call.

Buzz

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11-03-2014 , 06:14 PM

#16

spimp13

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 5,953

Just downloaded Bovada looking to test the software and then crush it this month, s/n Seat 3.

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11-04-2014 , 04:55 AM

#17

manndl

banned

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,469

sigh i´m still too trigger happy

Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 20 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32352142

MP3: 2,806 (18.7 bb)
CO: 2,260 (15.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): 1,405 (9.4 bb)
SB: 5,278 (35.2 bb)
BB: 5,927 (39.5 bb)
UTG+2: 3,810 (25.4 bb)
MP1: 2,530 (16.9 bb)
MP2: 9,221 (61.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4

UTG+2 calls 150, 4 folds, Hero calls 150, SB completes, BB checks

Flop: (760) 2

(4 players)
SB bets 5,108 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero calls 1,235 and is all-in

Turn: (3,230) 9

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (3,230) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Spoiler:

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11-04-2014 , 05:35 AM

#18

Buzz

gramps

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 18,254

Quote:

Originally Posted by manndl

sigh i´m still too trigger happy

You played correctly. Sometimes you play correctly and lose anyway. Be emotionally prepared for occasionally having a bit of bad luck and losing even though you have played correctly.

And then try to take it in stride when it does happen. It's part of the game of poker.

Buzz

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11-04-2014 , 06:41 AM

#19

billygstar

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 6,115

ul but shove pre though...

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11-04-2014 , 10:02 AM

#20

spimp13

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 5,953

Had a nice little micro stakes grind yesterday

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11-04-2014 , 07:03 PM

#21

DaCus3

old hand

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,292

PokerStars Hand #124504010222: Tournament #1026284801, $5.00+$0.50 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2014/11/05 0:01:28 CET [2014/11/04 18:01:28 ET]
Table '1026284801 10' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: verguen (53211 in chips)
Seat 2: Corvettee_23 (81664 in chips)
Seat 3: Vaspal (17753 in chips)
Seat 4: DaCus3 (36730 in chips)
Seat 5: pirata2160 (18000 in chips)
Seat 6: sattla (12907 in chips)
Seat 7: Zapahzamazki (68626 in chips)
Vaspal: posts small blind 1250
DaCus3: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaCus3 [6s 7d Ks Ac]
pirata2160: folds
sattla: folds
Zapahzamazki: raises 2500 to 5000
verguen: folds
Corvettee_23: folds
Vaspal: folds
DaCus3: raises 11250 to 16250
Zapahzamazki: calls 11250
*** FLOP *** [6d 5h 9d]
DaCus3: bets 20480 and is all-in
Zapahzamazki: calls 20480
*** TURN *** [6d 5h 9d] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [6d 5h 9d 7h] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DaCus3: shows [6s 7d Ks Ac] (HI: two pair, Nines and Sevens)
Zapahzamazki: shows [7s Kc 8s 9c] (HI: a full house, Nines full of Sevens)
Zapahzamazki collected 74710 from pot
No low hand qualified
DaCus3 finished the tournament in 15th place and received $35.92.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 74710 | Rake 0
Board [6d 5h 9d 7h 9h]
Seat 1: verguen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Corvettee_23 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Vaspal (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: DaCus3 (big blind) showed [6s 7d Ks Ac] and lost with HI: two pair, Nines and Sevens
Seat 5: pirata2160 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sattla folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Zapahzamazki showed [7s Kc 8s 9c] and won (74710) with HI: a full house, Nines full of Sevens

some regs are just too good