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MTT PL O8: facing pot bets with nut low draw and bad flush draw MTT PL O8: facing pot bets with nut low draw and bad flush draw

10-23-2008 , 12:55 AM
Is ti correct to call? Should I re-raise all -in? or just fold my hand? All comments appreciated. Thank you.

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG+2: t9083
MP1: t4045
MP2: t7762
CO: t10997
BTN: t4025
Hero (SB): t9537
BB: t4761
UTG: t4450
UTG+1: t13600

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with 3 8 2 4
4 folds, MP2 calls t150, CO calls t150, 1 fold, Hero calls t75, BB checks

Flop: (t600) A 6 K (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t600, MP2 raises to t1200, CO folds, Hero ?????
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10-23-2008 , 05:47 AM
Raise...Good time to gamble since you are uncounterfeitable for your low...Waay too good of a hand to flat...
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10-23-2008 , 08:47 AM
Tough spot. A lot like NFD/NLD except that it's only nut draw in one direction. Since it's early in the MTT, I can see the argument for repotting in the hopes of getting the other two to fold, although they obviously won't.

However, if they both won't fold, you want them both to stay, and that is why I would argue for a flat call here.
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10-23-2008 , 09:19 AM
I'm advocating the raise here to squeeze the initial bettor...I can't imagine that he can call with anything but a set of Aces or something like our hero has...No way he can call (or SHOULDN'T CALL) with two pair here...
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10-23-2008 , 10:04 AM
I would call. A squeeze might be appropriate if MP2 called, but given the min-raise I don't see MP2 folding to a re-raise. Therefore, I would want both players in for now and see another card before committing additional chips.
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10-23-2008 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Omaha8sPoker
I'm advocating the raise here to squeeze the initial bettor...I can't imagine that he can call with anything but a set of Aces or something like our hero has...No way he can call (or SHOULDN'T CALL) with two pair here...

Maybe I'm misreading the hand, but we only have a high side flush draw and no made high at all right? We also have nut low draw with best possible c-feit protection, right?

So why would we want one of our two opponents to go away? Don't we want them both to perform the same action, fold or shove? If we are facing a two pair, they have four outs to beat our clubs if we hit, and it's just as likely that we're facing better clubs, isn't it?
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10-24-2008 , 01:16 AM
Thank you very much for your replies!

Hero decided to flat -call here. Then, the initial bettor re-raised the pot and MP2 re-re-raised all-in.


Do you call these bets or let this one go?

Is the call that obvious?

Thank you in advance for your help.
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10-24-2008 , 02:28 AM
This is a really tough spot. On one hand you want to raise to promote the high value of your flush draw (making a good player with two pair or the nut flush draw with no low aspect fold), and get out another nut low draw with no high so you wind up heads up with a solid 2 way potential hand. The way the hand was limped around preflop i highly doubt anyone has a set of aces, a set of kings, or a23 so you are probably in decent shape.

On the other hand, the problem is at these stakes people are just going to call you all in with an 10 high flush draw, no low draw, or a completely naked low draw with queen high that happens to have you beat for high at the moment no matter how many chips you stick into the pot.

Promotional raises are really tricky at the micro limits and rarely work. Still, i just ship it in here you never know what these idiots have and the fact that you are uncounterfitable and have a backdoor straight draw make this a shove imo.

Myself, i probably wouldnt even complete the small blind with this mixed low bag hand to avoid situations like this where you get the perfect flop but still dont know what to do with it.
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10-24-2008 , 09:14 AM
You flat call with the intention of getting it all in, if that wasn't clear. Once they both go to town, you are getting the right price to stay. Yes, it's a tough spot, but since it's early in the tourney, take a chance early to build a stack or go home.

And I would call this SB with this stack and these blinds without hesitation. You only stay on a dream flop, and this is certainly close enough to the dream flop to get involved.
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10-24-2008 , 01:10 PM
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Still, i just ship it in here you never know what these idiots have
QFT. Sadly I've done this way too many times. Any sort of read would be helpful. Have you noticed their play? Without reads, yeah I'm calling the shoves. With your hand you want them both in and they obliged nicely. Just be sure to type a note about their play for next time.
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10-25-2008 , 07:45 AM
My experience playing these PLO8 MTT....at this early people are shoving their flopped sets...
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10-25-2008 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by franknagaijr
Maybe I'm misreading the hand, but we only have a high side flush draw and no made high at all right? We also have nut low draw with best possible c-feit protection, right?

So why would we want one of our two opponents to go away? Don't we want them both to perform the same action, fold or shove? If we are facing a two pair, they have four outs to beat our clubs if we hit, and it's just as likely that we're facing better clubs, isn't it?
Yeah but you should use your low protection to try to promote your baby flush draw by getting a J/10/9 high flush draw to fold...
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