This seems a super sweet spot with my stack size and those I am shoving into to pick up the blinds. This is a 3x tourney i.e 3 times as fast as your standard structure and almost everyone is as ridiculously super shallow. Picking up the blinds here is clearly massive.

We are 6 from the bubble, and it is likely we are likely going to min cash if we fold before the blinds come around again.

In before everyone says fold

i am all in too.

+1

I don't think you're going to get too many people saying you should have folded. Shove this - players will be bubble conscious and are only calling you with seriously premium hands.

Did you get called and lose? This seems like such a standard shove spot that I'm surprised you posted the hand, given all the factors you described.

Was this tourney one of those Stars rebuy shove fests?

Sometimes...even I get "results" orientated

Yup, horrible but addictive tourneys.

Man I've mincashed in a few of those... Play for a few hours for like $30. Annoying. The prizes for top few places are so enticing though... Anyone here ever won our final tabled one of these? Seems you have to survive sooo many 48/52ish situations.

What did you get called by and lose to? I'd like to see the numbers in propokertools...

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I'd like to see the spoiler.






Seriously, shove, as you did. Are you expecting to get any better hand before being blinded out?

Definite fold.

Almost zero chance of picking up blinds here. Given the great pot odds, SB should shove with anything decent here, and if SB has zilch and folds, then BB has to call with anything decent. What are the odds of at least one of them having something decent? Pretty good, considering that as many as 4 players had large enough stacks to open and try to steal blinds, but didn't. Finally, when hero is called (which he should be just about every time), his hand is not likely to really be a favorite HU.

Whoah just saw that was 1.9 and not 19. That means you're absolutely, without question being called and you have very very little high potential here. Hmmmmm. In your situation this late in a tourney I'd probably also be hard pressed to decide between the two. Originally thought you had way more than your tiny stack, and were playing to steal too.

Edit: also surely you had a hand you could have shoved when you were down to 8-10bbs? You can't let yourself get this short.

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nah not folding..donks will make mistakes sometimes in bb and fold when they shouldn't

and you will chop enough times to make this profitable if you ask me. bubble or not

This was my concern. I was wrestling with i) I know I would call being priced in versus ii) this is a 2r where people lol wanna min cash and make BAD folds.

Dude, I play hypers as my stable, I do understand this concept. I had just lost a cooler about 5 hands earlier FWIW.

It seems all the attention is on BB, who may have a tough (cEV vs. ICM) decision. However, SB can easily afford to call, and should with most hands. If SB folds, he only has ~t110k or <2M in a hyper. If SB shoves, the worst case scenario is BB calling and scooping. In that case, SB still has ~t62k, or ~1M, but the blinds will have passed him. Either way, he can fold to a min-cash and either way he will be forced in when the blinds come around again. So unless he has a truly horrible hand, there is little incentive for SB to fold in this spot.

The 2,500 antes make this an easy shove imo.

play to win or play to cash

not folding and hoping someones raising the blinds out!

Snap shove imo. Even the fold for mincash ppl should realize that hero imo could
never fold it into the money.

And if the beat was 5 hands ago, you prolly folded the BB/SB too wide unless you
hand trips or worse both times.

Or because people had raised in front of me on each occasion??

With 3.6 you are committed with a very wide range in my opinion, similar in the
SB with 2.5.

You mind posting the hand(s)?

If I can find them, yep absolutely.

According to hero ("almost everyone is as ridiculously super shallow"), he can most likely fold to min-cash, and that matches my recollection of these tourneys as well.

I agree that if hero is going to shove hands like this from BTN (favoring cEV over ICM), then it's likely he should have defended at least one of his most recent blinds.

Thing here and this tournament is there is a chance the BB folds.

The thing is, yea the structure is super shallow and lots of people are around his
stacksize still the bubble takes ages, the 3x turbo has big antes, when he's the
BB he is down to 1,2bb there is no way 6 out of 96(87,78,69 or whatever) bust
in the next few hands.

Here is the preceeding HH Macros. It was 8 rather than 5 hands previous to this and not every hand was raised. I busted 61 with this hand and the bubble broke at 54 players.

Interested in which spot, would have been good to get it in tbh

I don't like hands 5-8 as options.

My position at the table is pretty pants tbh, so open to thoughts. Looking back I don't know how I folded the QQ24 hand, that looks like the error to me.

If the bubble takes ages, then there's almost no way BB if folding here. So, at best, hero is flipping for his tourney survival with a hand that's unlikely to be a favorite HU (basically a flip vs. a 50% hand, and underdog vs. random A***). At worst, both blinds get it in and hero will be felted half the time.

That seems like a low (summer) turnout, which supports Macros' assertion that bubble won't burst soon. I think you played the previous hands fine, even QQ24 was rainbow, wouldn't regret folding it. I just think you have a good chance of getting a much stronger HU hand among the next few than (A46)3 and it's highly unlikely you won't get at least that strong of a HU hand shortly after. I can see the argument for pushing that hand, esp. if the bubble may take a while, but don't see how one can expect BB to fold here, and SB is likely priced in as well IMO.

Got you, ignore me and my ABC advice then. New(ish) to this subforum.