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10-28-2020 , 01:17 PM

invalidname94

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 514

Was this hand overvalued? I always feel like I'm making mistakes in O8, just looking for confirmation that I got the money in good here.

Yatahay Network - $0.02 PL Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 95.5 BB
MP: 97.5 BB
CO: 276 BB
Hero (BTN): 116.5 BB
SB: 178 BB
BB: 53 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5.5 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 4.5 BB, CO calls 4.5 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 3 players) 5

UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets 13.5 BB, UTG calls 13.5 BB, fold

Turn: (45 BB, 2 players) 6

UTG checks, Hero bets 33.5 BB, UTG raises to 67 BB, Hero raises to 97.5 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 9.5 BB and is all-in

River: (198 BB, 2 players) 6

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10-28-2020 , 01:46 PM

greybeard33

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 523

Pre - raise smaller or even flat as you should have some nutty hands in flatting range

Flop - not good for your range so I would just check

Turn - checking isn’t terrible but betting small seems ok

You’re never folding at any point but there are ways not to lose 100bbs here for sure

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10-28-2020 , 04:01 PM

amok

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,607

I like the raise pre, you are pushing equity with A2ds against limpers.

While we shouldn't be betting that often on this flop, I'd always bet this hand. True, most of the time when we bet we have Ad but we can also use it to our advantage.

On the turn, probably you should have a bet big and bet small -ranges and this hand should be a trap in bet small. Definitely nothing wrong with potting.

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10-28-2020 , 05:30 PM

invalidname94

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 514

What would be considered a good board for my range? Broadway boards? I’m button so I thought my range would be pretty wide and a lot of different textures would hit well. Are dry boards not considered great for the open raiser?

Usually when I open I just slam the pot button. Do you open smaller when there are limpers in front? What if there are 2? 3?

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10-28-2020 , 06:02 PM

amok

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,607

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Originally Posted by invalidname94

A-high boards are very good (you have way more top sets than them), 345 (or any non-A non-2 LLL-board) since you have more A2 than they do. On paired boards you have a range advantage due to AA, but they have more trips. Broadway boards are not great, they have more straights, two pairs, sets...

Dry boards? Depends on the dry board. This is not a dry board though. Villains have way more two pairs and sets than you do. If this is not true you are attacking limps with a wide range, which might be ok if they are limping with nonsensical hands.

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10-28-2020 , 07:24 PM

RolldUpTrips

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,349

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Originally Posted by amok

I'll add KLL texture to this list. You're supposed to have way more AK2 and stuff like that than limpers.

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10-28-2020 , 10:54 PM

monikrazy

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28,286

Line looks ok to me. Don't think we can check the flop closing the action - we could check if we were not - and even if we end up getting xred by a bigger set our raw equity is pretty good.

There are arguments for smaller bets on turn but i still don't think the large size is a bad option. And like flop we still seem too strong to check given how many worse hands/draws can call.

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10-28-2020 , 11:17 PM

cltrich

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 339

I do same thing as you did on all streets. Maybe if the 25 wasn't also suited I don't raise pre, but it was.

Hypothiecially if your effective stacks were deeper, I call any sized checkraise on turn. When river misses both draws, that would have been where the descision got interesting, especailly if it was at that point where the stack sizes got small enough, that he could not make a full pot sized river bet.

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10-29-2020 , 12:49 PM

BHDonkey

adept

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 756

Fairly standard Omaha 8 cooler...not much you could do differently. Even if you didn't have a set, nut flush/nut low draw is not a hand you're folding too often on an unpaired board, if ever.

As for ranges, they only matter if your opponent is thinking or even paying attention. I play with too many donks who pretty much just play their hands...so I'd throw that out. Plus, they call with pretty much any four cards too, so good luck putting them on a hand.

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