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lo8 Badly played aces? lo8 Badly played aces?

06-14-2010 , 09:45 AM
Did I play these too aggressively?


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is BB with J A A 2
UTG calls, 2 folds, CO calls, BTN calls, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (5 SB) K 6 J (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, CO folds, BTN calls, SB calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 8 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, BTN calls, SB calls

River: (8.5 BB) 8 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

Spoiler:
Final Pot: 8.5 BB
Hero shows Jh As Ac 2s (HI: two pair, Aces and Eights)
UTG shows Ah 3c 7s Ad (HI: two pair, Aces and Eights)
BTN shows Qc 4h 7h 9c (HI: a flush, King high)
SB shows Qh 7c Kd 6h (HI: two pair, Kings and Eights)
BTN wins 8.1 BB
(Rake: $0.20)
lo8 Badly played aces? Quote
06-14-2010 , 09:47 AM
You have one of the best starting hands possible.

I would raise this pre flop for value. Otherwise you played it fine.

Someone else might tell you not to bet flop idk

Bob
lo8 Badly played aces? Quote
06-14-2010 , 10:00 AM
I would bet on the river. You beat KJ now. Probably fold to a raise, but not always.
lo8 Badly played aces? Quote
06-14-2010 , 11:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gumaaa
I would bet on the river. You beat KJ now. Probably fold to a raise, but not always.
I would like to know more about my opponents before I B/C the river... doc?
lo8 Badly played aces? Quote
06-15-2010 , 12:57 AM
I don't like to discuss strategy honestly. But did you ever consider getting insanely aggresive with a 99% tile hand.
Here's how I play this (don't try this at home if you are timid or scared to lose in anyway) I'm raising, 3 betting and capping preflop and then you're damn right I'm check raising that flop! There's no way I'm playing this hand vs 3 people for 1 bet when I've now gotten people to put in 10 small bets (5bb) into the pot. If I get 3 bet I'm fine w capping or calling I'm trying to get hu though optimally and w lots of backdoor outs an overpair that can counterfeit alot of 2 pair.

Allowing people to play hands for the minimum w AA is a huge mistake IMO and letting people draw cheaply is the worst mistake when holding a huge overpaid w nut low possibilities. I've been experimenting at lower stakes than normal and I see people play really great hands and make the minimum with it. If you have A2k3 and raise preflop and get 3 callers (which I find odd as well) and the flop is 3-3-9 with no suits and you are in first position why are u leading out? I see alot of this and wonder WTF.
Just a few cents
MILK
lo8 Badly played aces? Quote
06-15-2010 , 02:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by drnkyourmlkshk
If you have A2k3 and raise preflop and get 3 callers (which I find odd as well) and the flop is 3-3-9 with no suits and you are in first position why are u leading out? I see alot of this and wonder WTF.
Just a few cents
MILK
First instinct: weak players probably don't have a wide range of hands they bet this flop in position against 3 players that checked to them.
weak players might raise your bet on the flop holding trips with a worse kicker figuring you could c-bet anything or at least have Aces and tries to find out if it's good, allowing you to 3-bet.
seeing the big pot, the players behind you will likely call your flop bet with a hand like A4TK with a backdoor K-high flush, being nearly dead against your hand.
even a weak player will likely notice the unusual line you took, out of suspicion giving you less action than you desire.

But yeah, I guess there are times when C/R could be better-
say you have a maniac type player to your left who bets every time it's checked to him. you could check, allowing him to bet, get calls from the players behind him, and then raise the field, keeping them in for the maximum while their odds are slim.
or say you decided to mix it up and raise with a high only hand, playing a SH pot against decent players, you might wanna check a high flop that hit you hard giving the impression you initially raised with a low only hand and the flop missed you completely.
but again, against oblivious opponents I'm probably just gonna go ahead and bet my hand.

Last edited by str8 or better; 06-15-2010 at 03:01 AM.
lo8 Badly played aces? Quote
06-15-2010 , 02:48 AM
Because at these limits not many people bluff and some don't even value bet so leading is the way to build a pot, and bet folding the river gets some value from top pair hands or people who don't fold any pair when low misses.
lo8 Badly played aces? Quote
06-15-2010 , 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by drnkyourmlkshk
If you have A2k3 and raise preflop and get 3 callers (which I find odd as well) and the flop is 3-3-9 with no suits and you are in first position why are u leading out? I see alot of this and wonder WTF.
Just a few cents
MILK
Yes, every time
lo8 Badly played aces? Quote
06-15-2010 , 11:08 PM
i'd prob raise preflop and c/f flop
lo8 Badly played aces? Quote
06-16-2010 , 02:46 AM
Nits can get away with ck-raising small paired boards, but it doesn't really make a lot of sense if you are already c-betting well over 50% of your hands on paired boards. On a 339 board 99 and 2456 mostly take care of my checks and i prefer to have 3's to give some strength to my bets.
lo8 Badly played aces? Quote
06-16-2010 , 03:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
i'd prob raise preflop and c/f flop
C/F, even though you pumped the pot, and turn A,J,spade or low is good for you? (notice you also have the Ac, which might help a jamming stopper)
I think the only consideration postflop after a preflop raise is if Hero should directly bet the flop or check, hoping for a cheap turn card.

Quote:
Originally Posted by morningstar
Nits can get away with ck-raising small paired boards, but it doesn't really make a lot of sense if you are already c-betting well over 50% of your hands on paired boards. On a 339 board 99 and 2456 mostly take care of my checks and i prefer to have 3's to give some strength to my bets.
The only reason why i'd consider checking 9's full is if I known for a high certainty that a player behind me is going to bet.
9's full is not a hand to slowplay.
Instead of C/Ring a 3, you can B/3B a 3, seems more consistent and more profitable to me.
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06-16-2010 , 01:58 PM
It's mostly a 6max issue but when you play with same opponents very often you have to balance your checking range esp. if you're an "active" player. I prefer the top full over trips because it's rarer and sligthly less vulnerable and it's "information" that is hard to exploit.

If i'm not checking any good hands then there really are no believable turns or blank rivers i can bluff. I'm already betting all overpairs and 3's so without the 99 ck-raises some astute opponents could always bet after my check and with less than 10 bets in the pot with a very small chance of bluffing the pot later i really can't call.
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