Against a competent reg with history. His image of me is as a LAG and in HU pots he rarely folds to raises and often calls me light. In this hand for example I would have trouble folding TPs and overpairs with a bet and would be OOP on the turn. A CR went through my mind to fold out a lot of hands that would flat. Thoughts on flop flat? Anyone CR ? Anyone bet straight out?

On the turn I was between a CR and a straight bet out. I could certainly credibly the straight based on his knowledge of my PFR range and flop flat line.

Advice on all streets welcome.

$0.10/$0.25 Omaha Hi-Lo
3 Players
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Stacks:
BTN ($86.76)
Hero ($25.16)
BB ($40.28)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 3 players) Hero is SB Q 8 4 A
BTN raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.40, BB raises to $2, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: J 2 10 ($4.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: 7 ($13.50, 2 players)
Hero ?

Before anyone comments this is 25PL. I always buy in full!!

I think that's just a cooler that he's got a better low draw there. A double gutter, flush draw, and (perceived) strong low draw is a hell of a lot. In retrospect a Q would have worked too.

There may be an argument for just calling the $8 as the all in doesn't really have much fold equity, but I can't fault you getting the rest of your stack in there with so many outs.

Unlucky.

There is a big difference between pushing hard with a big two-way draw on the FLOP or on the TURN.

Essentially my question in this spot. I was tempted by CR jamming the flop because I am never in terrible shape if called especially with the double backdoor flushes draws and I could fold out a lot of hands that this particular reg would float if I bet directly into. But I am asking whether this is a terrible line? I just started increasing how much cash I play and this is a spot I would normally float while regging my standard SNGs and MTTs. You're a cash player Wack....care to provide some insight?

I don't consider a straight draw a "big two-way draw" on the flop. I'm a lot happier with that hand after that turn.

bet pot on the turn if you are going to get it in!

What is your goal in the hand? Get him to put in more chips and then fold to a turn raise? Not likely if he comes out firing with a big bet on the turn (which means he is likely the favorite as well). If you want to take down the pot on the flop, a C/R seems reasonable - but you must either A) know your villain or B) be willing to gamble that he is capable of folding. If you want to take it down on the turn, your only chance is probably a donk_bet... but with a hand like villain showed up with, he is rarely folding anyways. On the flop your draw is not that good. OESD in an Omaha game is a pretty weak draw. A simple wrap is not even a big draw when you consider that in Omaha you can have straight draws with 15 and more outs possible quite often. Obviously in a splot-pot game, it will be rare that someone has a monster straight draw for both a hi and lo hand with the exception of times that the flop comes with at least 2 lo cards and often 2 cards between 2-6.

Obviously on the turn you pick up a bigger draw, but I don't think he will fold if he fires a big bet into you, so perhaps you can float the turn as well and then make a river decision. Being OOP, if you choose to just call the turn, gives you some options, but if villain isn't deep, your hands are really tied since you won't often have FE of any real value left by the river.

The lesson here: floating works best against well-known villains whose tendencies you understand well. My earlier statement about a big flopped 2-way draw and a big turned 2-way draw means this: you can jam a flop with a big draw that goes both ways that is a non-nut draw both ways with good equity, but you often don't have close to the same equity if you only pick up a big two-way draw on the turn as you did here. Your flopped draw here is pretty weak. Your turned draw is strong at that point, but with only 1 card to come - its not all that you want it to be to typically risk a lot of chips.

Hope this makes sense. As you played out this hand, you wouldn't be making a huge mistake by playing the turn in any of the possible ways you could have.

calling flop is bad

as played lead turn

Calling flop bad? With double gutter and two backdoor flush draws? So with a reg who's flatting most donk bets, but capable of folding marginal pair+low redraws this=CR>folding>leading? Stack sizes make this float for redraws bad or what Shaq and/or the 4 in the hand looking forward to the turn? Maybe I am too ******ed in seeing why.

The CR I would agree retrospectively is worse than leading turn because he is committed to a call and could get off a PS donk bet.

One of the best posts I have seen you do in a while Wack. Ty.

I disagree. He has two backdoor flush draws, the nut straight draw and there's a doorway low there. I think they're not deep enough for him to lead/raise or check raise, so flatting or folding is fine. I'm peeling this flop 100% of the time. I agree with betting the turn, it's necessary 100% of the time since our hand is completely disguised against villains entire range. We pick it up on the turn more times than when villain shoves. He folds AA here more often than not as well.

But, If you check the turn, you'll see villain clicking it back here the majority of the time as well, especially if you're commonly check raising his preflop/flop aggression (which you should be). Either way, I'm betting that turn card.

The turn card is a straight gambling situation since you're not deep enough to justify folding, not deep enough to justify calling. Without running the numbers, I'm sure you don't have implied odds but if this is someone you're regularly playing against, let them know you're willing to gamble and stick it in at all times.

that's what she said.



Oh yes, I couldn't resist.

c/r flop. You have a lot of f/e right then. If he does call you can reevaluate turn.

I sort of agree with Shaq here,,if you are playing flop I think c/r is only correct play OOP

Interesting hand. There are a couple of things you need to figure out.
1. What is his flop betting range?
2. What will he do after you call his turn bet? Will he keep betting? On which cards?
3. What will he do if you lead into him on the turn? (you've already told us what he will do on the flop which is tremendously helpful.)

In a vaccum i would rather lead turn than checkraise flop. I strongly dislike raising flop unless you have a ton of fold equity (which I doubt you do given description of villain). Calling the flop seems like the best play to me unless he is betting most turns and not folding to your donk leads.

I think It's real close between Leading flop and c/r flop. Leading flop is good because he either. A) might fold. B) you can reevaluate turn with initiative. C) It's highly unlikely he will raise.

C/R is good because A) you're checking and he may not even bet but if he does I think there is f/e on such a board with ANY villain. B) he's unlikely to ship over you here. C) and most importantly you're widening your c/r range on such boards if it's not something you typically do. You could even use the same line if the 8 was a 3.You're not committed to do anything on the turn in spots like this if you c/r and he calls.