Wondering how much my deuce blockers factor into my river decision here (against A2 ldo). it cost me fitty-cent to win, at the most, half the pot ($2.50). What should my thought process be here? (pretty passive game preflop if it matters)

$0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
9 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($9.75)
UTG+1 ($2.85)
MP1 ($11.70)
MP2 ($5.40)
MP3 ($10.05)
CO ($10.05)
BTN ($12.95)
fulzgold (SB) ($9.05)
BB ($10.10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) fulzgold is SB 3 2 2 8
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, fulzgold calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: 6 10 8 ($1.50, 6 players)
fulzgold checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks

Turn: Q ($1.50, 6 players)
fulzgold checks, BB bets $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, 1 fold, fulzgold calls $0.50

River: 4 ($4, 5 players)
fulzgold checks, BB bets $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, fulzgold ???

10% Call
90% Fold

Almost always you get none of this pot, blockers are irrelevant in this spot.

This river is 4 way.

Irrelevant because A3 beats me or why?
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Not enough, in my opinion.

You missed on the river. You were looking for, (ideally) the A, or at least an ace, or at least a diamond, or at least a deuce. You were drawing and you missed.

Fold.

I might not have played the hand from the small blind to begin with, but if I did play it, I'd fold here.

Even though the hand history shows the hand as pot-limit, the betting looks like fixed-limit, and you indicated (in the thread title) it was "limit." Accordingly, I'm labeling your thread with a , which is how we distinguish fixed-limit from pot-limit and no-limit in this forum. If I'm wrong, please advise me and I'll make the correction.

Buzz

Irrelevant is a little strong but thats how I look at it, between the 5 other people in the hand I think its safe to assume with the action (4 limpers) that someone has a low here that either ties or beats you.

OTR its a bet and two calls to you, worse case scenario if you fold here, they all have a straight and no or a bad low, unlikely but not impossible. Far more likely though the better has a straight (nut or not) and the other two have lows.

Whats just calling here on the turn? Low draw+FD, Good low draw A2/A3/23, FD and Pair or two, bad straight, two/three pair, a set.

IDK its just my personal opinion, I wouldnt always play this hand from the SB but on the turn I stick around for sure and then fold river almost 100% of the time.

don't play it pre. It's just trouble. If u do, fold asap ( even out of turn )

Fold on the turn.

+1

pot odds aint worth it here with bad non nut draws.

if he bets and everyone folds to you, maybe then you can take a card. but when 3 people call it means your draw is a piece of cheese.

keep posting hands.

Since there are only two deuces instead of three available to make an opponent an ace-deuce nut low, you might guess as a first approximation that the extra deuce reduces the chance your deuce trey is up against an ace-deuce by about a third. That's pretty close, probably close enough, but the probability is only reduced by about 29% instead of 33%.

Buzz

thanks everyone.

Is the turn a closer decision if the board is something like QQ85dd? (I would have flush, fullhouse and low possibilities) or is this just a trouble hand on the turn regardless?

In my opinion, a fundamental nine-handed Omaha-8 principal is don't draw for something that probably won't win.

In Texas hold 'em, when there are exactly three cards of the same suit on the board and you make a flush, any flush, your flush is probably a winner.

But that is not true in Omaha-8. You don't want to be drawing for flushes when your highest hand held card in the flush suit will be a three, or even an eight.

Playing a made flush and drawing for a flush are two different things.

What to do is highly specific opponent and read dependent, but although you should probably play almost any flush once you have made it, you don't want to be drawing for baby flushes (unless they're an incidental part of your draw or unless you already have made the nut low or a straight).

Some authors advise you to only draw for the nuts. In a full game, that's probably true for low, but I think you leave money on the table if you always only draw for nut high hands.

Usually when you're drawing for high, you're not just drawing for one thing, a full house or a flush or a straight. You're usually making some sort of compound draw, with some outs for one type of hand (full house, flush, straight, or low) and other outs for another type of hand.

With respect to drawing for flushes alone, you may not even have favorable odds to draw for the nut flush in some tight games.

Pre-flop, with this particular starting hand, you don't have a very good chance of winning for high with your starting hand. (With no aces, kings, or queens, your starting hand lacks high card strength). If you do win for high, it will most often be with a flush, but when you make a flush, you'll lose about twice as often as you'll win.

Pre-flop, your second most winning hand type will be a full house, but you'll lose roughly as often as you'll win when you make a full house. Of course you'll usually win with quads or a straight flush, but you don't make those often enough to chase them.

With a straight or trips, you'll lose roughly three times as often as you'll win. Two pairs or one pair is much worse, brutal.

What it boils down to is you don't have a very good chance to win for high with your starting hand, and that leaves you mostly with a low draw. In order for you to have a decent low or low draw after the flop, you need to see an ace on the flop. Before the flop, you can see four cards, leaving 48 unseen cards, enough to make 16 three-card flops. Only four of these could have an ace (because there are only four aces in the deck). What that all means is your chances of seeing an ace on the flop are about one in four. (And even then, you're not home free). But at any rate, you saw the flop, along with six opponents, and the flop didn't have an ace.

You missed. Then you got a free ride to see the turn. But still no ace.

Fold. Forget the baby flush draw.

I think you sometimes can draw for second nut flushes if you have Omaha-8 card playing skill. But less than that is not generally a good bet.

Yes, it's closer but still a bad decision to continue.

It's a trouble hand from the get go.

Buzz

good stuff, Sir. Thanks again.