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01-24-2012 , 09:29 PM
I play very little Limit MTT other than at WSOP and big series...so maybe 4 or 5 MTTs a year.

Anyway here is the situation:

Blinds 200-400 so limits 400-800.

Hero starts with ~9k.

Limps to Hero OTB who comes along with 9TJKds.

6 to flop.

Flop T99.

Checks to Hero who bets. Old Rock in SB c/r and folds back to Hero.

Images-I am probably viewed as pretty tight as I have been card dead and just not playing many hands. I am also known by some of the regs as a winner in the 10-20 1/2K game but not sure if villain remembers that.

SB is super nitty rock. Older guy. Plays the 10-20 game and is probably ok; not horrendous but not a superstar either.

Anyway I call.

Turn A. he bets...I really hate that card if he has A9xx. Obv if he has TTxx i am also bad.

I kinda want to fold??? MUB??

Thoughts on flop and turn and if we are just going into calldown mode here?
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01-24-2012 , 10:17 PM
ewww what a horrid spot lol

I think i would play it the same on the flop and call the c/r and be worried he has 1010 but given the action he also may have only 9 and tryin to iso in hope u were trying to steal.

After you call and the turn is an ace which doesnt scare him i think you may beable to find a fold although pretty tough and v most villains i am prolly goin into check call mode and hoping. Just about deep enough not to be crippled.

I am guessing he had 1010 or a9 or same hand and u check called turn and river.
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01-25-2012 , 12:28 AM
Trivial calldown imo.
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01-25-2012 , 03:26 AM
Yeah seems pretty unfortunate. Its a calldown simple as that. It seems pretty sick though, you almost want to fold that flop... almost
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01-26-2012 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
I play very little Limit MTT other than at WSOP and big series...so maybe 4 or 5 MTTs a year.

Anyway here is the situation:

Blinds 200-400 so limits 400-800.

Hero starts with ~9k.

Limps to Hero OTB who comes along with 9TJKds.
Meh.

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6 to flop.

Flop T99.

Checks to Hero who bets.
Seems right.

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Old Rock in SB c/r
How strange! Would he pull the trigger so soon with TT**? (Doesn't seem like he would).

He might logically check/raise with T9** or A9**. There's an outside chance of K9**, Q9**, or AA**. But of those I think he's much more likely to have T9** (same as Hero) or A9**. Comparing those two, from what we can see he's about twice (maybe more) as likely to have A9** as T9**.

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and folds back to Hero.

Images-I am probably viewed as pretty tight as I have been card dead and just not playing many hands. I am also known by some of the regs as a winner in the 10-20 1/2K game but not sure if villain remembers that.

SB is super nitty rock. Older guy. Plays the 10-20 game and is probably ok; not horrendous but not a superstar either.

Anyway I call.
Seems right.

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Turn A. he bets...I really hate that card if he has A9xx. Obv if he has TTxx i am also bad.
I hate that card too. I thought since he was most likely to hold A9** or T9**, but if Villain held A9**, Hero was probably ahead. At this point Villain's about 3:2 (maybe more) more likely to have A9** as T9**, but it's a moot point.

I think there's hardly any chance Hero is ahead. I think we have to fold.

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I kinda want to fold???
Seems right. Bummer.

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MUB??
I don't know what MUB means.

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Thoughts on flop and turn and if we are just going into calldown mode here?
Shown above. I don't go into call-down mode here. I fold.

Buzz
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01-27-2012 , 12:01 AM
MUB. Monsters under the bed
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01-27-2012 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BettyBoopAA
MUB. Monsters under the bed
Thanks.

Buzz
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01-27-2012 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BettyBoopAA
MUB. Monsters under the bed
There are no monsters on that flop. He could think he is best with an overpair here knowing there will be no low hand and it looks like you could easily have missed by a mile. His range is way to wide to do anything other than call it down. And you might even get value by betting or raising the river regardless of what comes.
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01-27-2012 , 01:45 AM
It's a tournament and you didn't say anything about the tournament situation. How far are you from the money? Is this a bubble situation?
Assuming that you're in the mid rounds and not on/near the bubble, this is more about the stacks than the hands.
Bet/folding that flop with that hand when you only have 20 blinds left is just bad tournament strategy. How far are you going to nurse that short stack?
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01-27-2012 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by squeegee
It's a tournament and you didn't say anything about the tournament situation. How far are you from the money? Is this a bubble situation?
Assuming that you're in the mid rounds and not on/near the bubble, this is more about the stacks than the hands.
Bet/folding that flop with that hand when you only have 20 blinds left is just bad tournament strategy. How far are you going to nurse that short stack?
20 BB is more than you think for Limit O8, but you don't want waste chips playing this hand at all in the first place.

After the flop, a tight rock check raises with 5 people still in the hand so given what what posted its most likely A9 or 10 10. I would call on the flop and fold when the A hits the turn as you need to save chips when it's obvious your beat.
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01-27-2012 , 04:21 AM
He's got 11 bets? Assuming this is kinda deep in the tourney, I like 3 betting the flop. It makes the whole hand easier to play, no matter what comes on the turn. It seems like we're also not accounting for the fact that he just completed the small blind and could have any 9. As played, you can find a better spot for your chips.
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01-27-2012 , 07:43 AM
Raise pre, bet/call flop, call turn, call river.

Edit: thought it was open-limp not 4th limp. Limp is fine, same line.
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01-27-2012 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BettyBoopAA
20 BB is more than you think for Limit O8, but you don't want waste chips playing this hand at all in the first place.

After the flop, a tight rock check raises with 5 people still in the hand so given what what posted its most likely A9 or 10 10. I would call on the flop and fold when the A hits the turn as you need to save chips when it's obvious your beat.
This hand is very playable in LP..not folding to a limp
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01-30-2012 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BettyBoopAA
20 BB is more than you think for Limit O8, but you don't want waste chips playing this hand at all in the first place.
I think it's a dangerously small stack. One or maybe two levels (depending on structure, about which OP said nothing) until we're getting it all in.
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01-30-2012 , 03:24 AM
Folding this preflop is a terrible terrible error. I can't imagine anyone doing so is a winning player.
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01-30-2012 , 06:57 AM
i agree with gobbo.
you have to call down, despite the fact that he will show you A9xx quite often.
a nit would never c/r his AA in that spot, but usually do it with A9xx.

you start with 9k and have 7.8k behind OTT, where the potsize is 4800 (6 bigbets).
now you have to call 2 bigbets more to see the showdown (for a 10 bigbet pot OTR)

we know that smart nits like to use their image to steal pots every now and then,
and this would be a great spot for it. he could have AJQw here and hope he aint dead.
btw, was it a rainbow flop?
he doesnt risk that much when trying to force you to fold here.
call down due to odds and assumption, be prepared to lose more often then not.
you still have 6200 chips (nearly 8 bigbets) left if you lose, still some room to operate.

Last edited by HU4holes; 01-30-2012 at 07:00 AM. Reason: my game is crusty, correct me if im wrong somewhere
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01-30-2012 , 07:36 AM
wouldnt he wait with a raise till the turn, which allows him to get in a big-bet-raise,
instead of the small-bet raise OTF if he has 2 tens? i would. (you said hes solid and experienced).
the whole raise or c/r HHH flop thing is quite often a cheap try to steal,
at least more often than a value-raise from a competent player.
only that villain is a nit makes this hand that tough obv.
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03-02-2012 , 11:42 AM
Realized I never posted results...I actually folded turn and showed. Old guy turned ghost white and held his cards like he didn't want to muck. Dunno.

Miami John thought I was beat but wasn't sure I should have folded.
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03-02-2012 , 04:52 PM
The best decision you made throughout the hand was showing your fold. Boosting your own ego is probably much more important than maximizing your results.
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03-02-2012 , 05:24 PM
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The best decision you made throughout the hand was showing your fold. Boosting your own ego is probably much more important than maximizing your results.
k thanks for trollin!
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03-02-2012 , 06:50 PM
If you want a more high-content response... I would never be folding your hand preflop, on the flop, on the turn, or on any river.
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