I have been smashing O/8 lately, I am finally rolled for 1/2 PL again.
I just want to know what a good expected BB/100 would be to make an attempt at going pro again.

FWIW I played for a living last year. But I was playing 3/6

whats ur sn

im guessin its the same as a good nl. 3-4 is good, 4-5 is destroying right?

What do you consider properly rolled for 1/2 PLO8?

Fcuk the winrates go for it, and if your mom asks you why you left college just tell her "Because a bunch of retarrds from 2+2, that I have never seen before, told me to do so"

Didn´t Hwang write something along the lines of "If you´re a fairly good player, 2500$ is plenty for 10/20"?

If you really go pro you should have a very conservative bankroll management.
I use the 50 buyin rule which is plenty for PLO 8. I never had more than a 5 buyin swing at 0,5/1 over 50k hands. 1/2 might be a bit more aggressive and therefore more variance but I dont think the difference is huge.

higher than 4-5 for sure

I think 8-10 PTBB/100 is attainable for a good player, im also talking full ring and not 6max or HU which I think could be even higher but I normally just play 1/2 to 5/10 blind PL/NL 08s so that is where im drawing this from

QFT

If you're expecting to hear a good win rate and then try to attain that, I'd strongly recommend not.

Just play solid and work on making as little mistakes as possible.

As for BR management, the more buy-ins the better. Really, it should depend on how much living expenses are for you and how much you need to withdraw each month. Frankly, I think 1/2 is just too low to actually live off of. It's still doable imo albeit a big grind.

Whatever you decide to do, GL.

I think 8-10 PTBB/100 is attainable for a good player, im also talking full ring and not 6max or HU which I think could be even higher but I normally just play 1/2 to 5/10 blind PL/NL 08s so that is where im drawing this from--

how many players 2-4plo08 and up have a 8-10 bb/100 winrate over 100k hands. id be shocked to hear the number u think actually attain this

i wish i would have datamined FTP longer but I only did for a few months so I dont have many samples over 50k hands

i am not saying many attain this, but i could easily say the top 10 on FTP do this

[QUOTE=TheStation;3862116]i wish i would have datamined FTP longer but I only did for a few months so I dont have many samples over 50k hands

i am not saying many attain this, but i could easily say the top 10 on FTP do


agreed that some make it. but when u tell someone an attainable win rate is 8-10, that is not attainable at all. that is the top ten players in plo08 making it, so i still think 3-5 ur fine

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There is also one other fact - I know some players perfer to play 2-3 tables and maximize BB/100 and some would rather play 5-8 tables and play worse (not pay attention to opponenets as close) but make more money due to volume of hands played - I think I fall somewhere in the middle personally

I just went into PTO for fun and got this image, I wish I still had my old datamining but this seemed kinda interesting, just ran for players with 10k+ hands at one limit

small samples. there are players who have over 8 over 100k hands - the better of the bunch. i was mainly making my post so the originall poster did set his goals high and be not think they are not beating the game good enough,

and those are 10 out of how many players in ur database. i jus felt in ur one post, some may see attainable as easily manufactured ( which i was jus trying to state isnt true), which it isnt unless ur a elite of the game

i would be shocked to find out there is a single one.

8-10 ptbb/100 wont happen over LONG term play above pl200

how do u post graphs like u guys do, to not go onto another website?

can u please post or PM me instrusctions- not to sounds like a comp ******

thanks

For limit Omaha hi/lo what kind of BR is needed?
In my experience this game has the smallest swings of any poker variant.

I feel 10 standard buyins on PokerStars is safe (200x BB). Could I maybe get away with less?

This depends on a number of factors, some of which include:

1. Full ring or 6-max? You need more for 6-max.

2. Your style of play. If you like to raise and reraise often before the flop, then you're going to have bigger swings than a passive nut peddler.

3. Your quality of play, obviously. No bankroll is big enough for you if you are terrible.

LO8 is my main game and I keep to the 300bb rule and haven't had to deposit on Stars in years, so if you're really good and stick to full ring then I guess 200bb might be possible.

nhtool,

Thank you for this excellent answer. I have taken a couple of days to think about it and I was wondering if you could elaborate on point (1):

Why is 6-max higher variance? Yes you are playing more hands but you are much less likely to get jammed in on a short table where you have an average holding on both ends (something like top pair + bottom pair and 3rd best low) as there are much fewer hands that start 4-way or more unless your opponents are really bad. It's those hands where you are jammed in and get scooped that hurt the most.

Also, how does multi-tabling affect variance? Mathematicians, correct me if I'm wrong but if you're playing n tables then you do need twice the BR but something of the order of An/2BB right because you can average the expectation? (A = standard amount BB for 1 table BR management) My already bad math may need further modifications relating to this being a split pot game so apologies in advance.

Salinar -

Why not just pick a level for which you have 300BB, play a bunch of hands and assess where your game is compared to others that play that level? You may find that you can't beat the level for which you have 300BB and should drop down based on skill, or maybe you crush it and should move up.

good luck

I do not know why 6max is higher variance, aside from the increase in flops you'll see and the increase in marginal situations you'll face. However, I think they are two different games. I completely suck at 6max limit but do pretty well at full ring. Unfortunately there aren't always enough fullring games going, and the additional FPPs from the 6max games are enticing.

Virtually all the maths around BR management is a complete joke. Unless you have done maths to degree level - probably post grad if you are a Yank - I wouldn't trust a damn thing you read. If people knew how the 300BB rule was derived, for example, they would be pretty horrified.

The best rules are rules of thumb, and comfort and common sense. In PLO the 30-50-100 rule has long been excepted as pretty sensible. Someone like jagjag or borys probably have a 3-5-10 rule

gl

bdd