fulltilt is changing the rakeback structure, so players who contribute the most get the most back. rewarding lags.

will this mean moreeeee money for me?

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24% less rakeback for me. Why am I such a nit?

this really is great news! quality of the games goes up, and more incentive to actually play poker....

I'm glad...Nothing more annoying than a table full of rakeback "pros" playing about 5% of their hands.

It's about time!

all da easy_money NIT's gonna quit FTP now since they can't make $200/week in RB any more. better hope the new cool guy "black card" system makes up for this and also makes up for getting screwed out of the ironman bonus medal system (which they decided to remove as well).

I like that we're talking about this here because anything any one of us could say in one of the bigger forums would get lost in the shuffle, but this really is good for the actual *poker* that will be played at Full Tilt.

Rakeback bottom-feeders are one of the reasons why online poker sucks. It's unfair opportunism. It is AMAZING how many are complaining about this in the other forums, when everyone knows in their heart of hearts that, while it's not 100% fair (which would be direct, pot-for-pot rakeback), it is fairER than the "divided equally" system, which does nothing but encourage nittery.

Those who give more action and pay more rake deserve more of the rake back, period. Not just because they're paying more rake but because action is what makes games good.

So yeah, it sucks for most of us, but it is nonetheless the right thing to do. It closes up an abuse loophole.

damn this makes me happy. i took a hiatus from grinding during daytime hours because the nittery knew no bounds. especially at the 6max tables.

the ironman system pissed me off. if memory serves me correct, i had days where i had 400+ points for consecutive days in a row and then i take a few days off and realize i just ****ed up that month. frustrating.

i haven't been online in about a week and a half, can someone explain to me the new rakeback structure and who benefits the most from it and in your opinion what is likely to change most significantly? i.e., if you're a nitty rakeback pro you're getting a kick in the nuts I hope?

Well you hope right.

And the people crying about this in the other forums seem to be of the impression that *everyone* is going to get screwed on rakeback, not just the nits.

How that is mathematically possible I'm not sure.

I'm shocked they did this, but glad. Now if only Stars would do the same thing I might consider playing at that horrible nitty site again.

Not everyone who has rakeback will lose rakeback. Loose players will get more. But not everyone gets rakeback and the players who don't have rakeback tend to be fish. In other words, more money goes to Full Tilt, not the players. Therefore regular players are getting screwed on rakeback because of this change.

It really is just a money grab by Full Tilt. In terms of O8, I think the only players hurt are the rush O8. The impact on the O8 games are minimal because majority of the mass table nits are already playing on PS.

On occasion, i will deposit ~1k on ftp and play the sunday plo8, some SNGs, and maybe cash game if i run the money up. I noticed my rakeback went from like ~50 bucks an active week to about ~5 dollars last two weeks when I paid over $300 of rake between sngs, cash, and tourneys. I don't know if its the new rakeback structure or my affiliate (rakebackpros), but its weird.

it's a weighted-contributed method now, so basically the ones who will benefit the most (directly) are the players who play many pots and who drive the betting action, aka LAGs. In other words, you will now get exactly 27% of all the money that YOU put in the pot (only exception is when your final bet is not called, so it's essentially not a part of the pot raked).

I can't solute FTP enough on this, for taking the lead among the leading sites catering to the U.S. market!... It's really what's been needed, for a long long time, for the sake of improving the health and quality of the games!

the RB on SnGs and MTTs has not changed! It has always been and I assume always will be based on contributed method; you'll always get 27% of your tournament fee. Unless your affiliate is screwing you some how or there is a mistake, the only reason why your RB from cash games fell (ceteris paribus) is b/c

Anybody have a link where ftp explains this?

This can only be a good thing. First of all, FT wouldn't do this unless they believed that the overall amount of rake they collect would increase. Now we have more action overall, more money in the hands of lags, less money in the hands of nits. Plus the nits can get minimum wage jobs where they will be able to make more money but actually have some human interaction during their day. Everyone wins.

Hello O8 Forum, been lurking but not posting for a while now, guess its time I posted!

That depends on your individual playing style. Not VIP and PFR but the amount of money you actually put in pots. Obviously these are often related though.

These changes came in on 30 Sept/1st Oct so are not responsible. Unless there's a problem with your affiliate you likely took an MGR hit somewhere maybe by spending points/clearing a bonus/withdrawing or maybe there was an overlay in a tourney you played?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...9-30-a-887601/

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no one is happier about this change. A LAG who plays SH FLO8. Thank you, FTP.

abarber, how much more % do you think you're getting?

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lolol full tilt, worst site, worst support 16 table cap lolol full tilt

How about how pokerstars combats FTPs pathetic black card idea by now making it when you purchase a cash bonus with FPPs, that you don't need to clear any VPPs to get your cash. That is why they're the best

I bet I'm up near 50% now. We'll see after this month, I guess.