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11-28-2011 , 12:40 AM
Hero (MP2): $48.95 (97.9 bb)
MP3: $9.60 (19.2 bb)
CO: $54.38 (108.8 bb)
SB: $49.77 (99.5 bb)
BB: $12.82 (25.6 bb)
UTG+2: $72.70 (145.4 bb)
MP1: $32.87 (65.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7 A 3 3
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB completes, BB raises to $1.50, MP1 calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $1

Kind of meh, but whatevs... We have some potential both ways and decent enough implied odds, IMO.

Flop: ($6) 9 3 K (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2.50, MP1 calls $2.50, Hero ?

Thoughts on a line here?
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11-28-2011 , 12:53 AM
fold
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11-28-2011 , 01:28 AM
Anything except fold..

You can call along and see what develops, or you can make a big raise.

Stacks are shallow (60BB), so potting is my preferred option. BB will come along fairly wide because he only has a 25BB stack; and MP1 might come along with draws. (Much more likely MP1 is on draws than a set). You most likely have the best hand and you want to put pressure on everyone else, who does have some equity.

If we are 150BB deep I probably still raise but for a different reason: If you raise and get shoved on (by a good player) then you can fold knowing you did the right thing. And if you don't get shoved on you know you probably have the best hand.
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11-28-2011 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
Hero (MP2): $48.95 (97.9 bb)
MP3: $9.60 (19.2 bb)
CO: $54.38 (108.8 bb)
SB: $49.77 (99.5 bb)
BB: $12.82 (25.6 bb)
UTG+2: $72.70 (145.4 bb)
MP1: $32.87 (65.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7 A 3 3
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB completes, BB raises to $1.50, MP1 calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $1

Kind of meh, but whatevs... We have some potential both ways and decent enough implied odds, IMO.

Flop: ($6) 9 3 K (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2.50, MP1 calls $2.50, Hero ?

Thoughts on a line here?
You have position. Use it.

Raise to $15. Hope they all fold. If they don't, Hero probably has the best hand, but it's not strong enough to slow play.

If you get a caller, shove after the turn. Hope that takes it.

If you get re-raised, shove all-in.

You don't want anyone to have favorable implied pot odds to draw.

Buzz

Last edited by Buzz; 11-28-2011 at 04:24 AM.
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11-28-2011 , 05:29 AM
I would click it back to $6.66 so that when BB shoves all in you can trap MP1 for his stack or make him fold his draw
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11-28-2011 , 08:35 AM
^ best answer
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11-28-2011 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by prodonkey
fold
PF
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11-28-2011 , 09:12 PM
^ joke right?
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11-29-2011 , 05:52 AM
Nope, seriously what you hoping for? You have a mediocre hand in mp. You don't close the action. I just wouldn't play it. I wouldnt open raise it in a 6max game, why would I call it in full ring? 'Having a pair in your hand sucks. The 7 is too far apart to be decent counterfeit protection. The diamond draw is more or less worthless.
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11-29-2011 , 07:45 AM
I've noticed these kind of hands are a lot of what gets posted.. they are hard to play well oop, and not that great overall. I'm not folding pre with the suited ace though. I really wouldn't fault someone for folding it though. Or you could raise it, which I would do sometimes.. pretty much a matter of preference here and how the table is playing on what i'd actually do.

I'm raising the flop almost every time there, if I'm paying attention to stack sizes I like the small raise so u can come over top of a BB shove. Pot raising and just blind shoving the turn is fine also vs a 65bb stack if he calls the flop raise. IMO the hand pretty much plays itself post flop vs those stack sizes, I'm never folding, so get it in.
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11-29-2011 , 07:47 AM
minraise! slowplay dem fookers.

...well or raise pot but that's so boring
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11-29-2011 , 09:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by prodonkey
I've noticed these kind of hands are a lot of what gets posted.. they are hard to play well oop, and not that great overall. I'm not folding pre with the suited ace though. I really wouldn't fault someone for folding it though. Or you could raise it, which I would do sometimes.. pretty much a matter of preference here and how the table is playing on what i'd actually do.

I'm raising the flop almost every time there, if I'm paying attention to stack sizes I like the small raise so u can come over top of a BB shove. Pot raising and just blind shoving the turn is fine also vs a 65bb stack if he calls the flop raise. IMO the hand pretty much plays itself post flop vs those stack sizes, I'm never folding, so get it in.
Agree with all the above.
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11-29-2011 , 10:46 AM
So potting it and having sb shove is just one of those things then and we just have to call and hope for the best?
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11-29-2011 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Buzz
You have position. Use it.
See to me using position here would be to flat call and see what develops on turn. That's a pretty wet board in PLO but really not as much in O8 (absent any reads). I don't mind reevaluating turn cards. I think if we get this hand in OTF we are generally not in great shape.

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Originally Posted by takemychai100
I would click it back to $6.66 so that when BB shoves all in you can trap MP1 for his stack or make him fold his draw
I don't mind this option.

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Originally Posted by pureklas
Nope, seriously what you hoping for? You have a mediocre hand in mp. You don't close the action. I just wouldn't play it. I wouldnt open raise it in a 6max game, why would I call it in full ring? 'Having a pair in your hand sucks. The 7 is too far apart to be decent counterfeit protection. The diamond draw is more or less worthless.
ORLY?
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11-29-2011 , 12:11 PM
Not from mp I wouldn't.
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11-29-2011 , 12:40 PM
I open it in EP at a FR table.

Nits ITT.
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11-29-2011 , 12:42 PM
Leaks ITT.
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11-29-2011 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
I open it in EP at a FR table.

Nits ITT.
Nits ITT for sure, i would pot now.
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11-29-2011 , 01:26 PM
If you are not going to raise it pre-flop in most instances and increase the chance that your various mediocre high combinations can help you scoop, you may as well fold it.
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11-29-2011 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
See to me using position here would be to flat call and see what develops on turn.
Perhaps. I have to think about that.

I was thinking along the lines of Hero putting pressure on his opponent, making play for his opponent more difficult.

Hero applies less pressure by just calling.

Buzz
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11-29-2011 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cbt
minraise! slowplay dem fookers.

...well or raise pot but that's so boring
Depends on your read of BB. If they're typical they have AA. If they may have KK you have to evaluate. Mostly, you can't live in fear of the overset and you're ahead of a flush draw so I play it boring and pot-shove.
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11-30-2011 , 07:50 PM
Double-suited A3 with backup.. playable in any game

I'd probably draw the line at raising EP at 9max, but I'm certainly opening it UTG at 6max. If you're folding this your VPIP must be about 10?
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