Truthiness, I don't know if you're the kind to disagree with a "majority" but the majority of posters agree we should be able to have a thread about regs (or anybody for that matter) without having their names deleted regardless of what they think. (unless it's beligerenty insulting of course)

(Ballet as used here is a metaphor for this forum).

This 2+2 Omaha-8 forum is one little spot on the internet where people can go to discuss Omaha-8 or just read about Omaha-8.
• Omaha-8 tactics, Omaha-8 strategy, and Omaha-8 theory are discussed and debated, sometimes with contributions from expert professionals.
• Any 2+2 member can ask a question about the game of Omaha-8 and it probably will be answered, and maybe even debated, often from different highly sophisticated perspectives.
• Other topics of interest to Omaha-8 players and fans are also discussed.

Aside from wanting to see more participation from other Omaha-8 players, I like this spot the way it is. People can go to another 2+2 forum if they want something else.

This is where we discuss Omaha-8. Hopefully posters write their true thoughts about tactics, strategy, and theory here without fear of insults or ridicule.

I’m fully aware some of the policies of this Omaha-8 forum are not the same as those of various other 2+2 forums. That doesn’t bother me.

I have declared, and more than once, I would remove names if anyone objected to his/her name being used. I feel obliged to adhere to that policy.

One of the goals in implementing that policy was to get competent Omaha-8 players to truthfully discuss strategy and tactics openly and freely without fear of being ridiculed and without having the tactics and strategy they actually use when playing exposed and analyzed by their enemies so that others might take advantage of them because of their candor in this forum.

Another goal was to spare us all from the bickering, anger, and animosity that develops when one poster writes something about another poster that the other poster resents. My experience is that posts exposing other posters without their consent lead to animosity and continued squabbles that do nobody any good and that end up with me having to choose sides and ban someone.

Everything was beautiful at the ballet, and I’d like to keep it that way.

Buzz

I see room for a hip new website online: O8regs.com, where you talk smack or praise your favorite/least favorite villains

I think GolfProGame/KobeCat/Lucky Lite plays very well, & I do not look forward to playing them in the future.

My mom took me to see the Nutcracker when I was 6yo, & thought it was horrible. Haven't been to a ballet since.

Can someone explain the ballet thing to me?

I think Nureyev was too tight (not that there is anything wrong with that) when he played O8 in his prime.

Nowadays, there are too many O8 players that think just because they can do the splits, they are an impressario.

In fact, the game can still be beaten wearing tights.

has anyone ever played against Swan Lake at Cereus? I think he goes too far with top pair on a lot of boards.

How would you deal with that? Change the music?

Sure. It was a metaphor. It's the title of a song in an old movie about Bob Fosse entitled "Chorus Line." (That's from memory. I hope I've got it straight). You can Google it and find all the words to the song, and then maybe the metaphor will make more sense.

I like Omaha-8 games and I like this forum. When I'm playing Omaha-8, I'm doing what I want to do. When I'm participating in this forum, except for some of the odorous moderation duties, I'm doing what I want to do. I like this forum the way it is. I don't mind moderating it.

I wrote the second post in this thread in response to a post Lucky Lite wrote in the monthly low content thread. (I moved his post to this thread so that I could respond to it in a separate thread).

If Lucky Lite is correct, and if a majority the posters who participate in this forum want the forum to be something else, to have a different moderation policy with respect to poster's names and/or screen names and/or forum names being deleted when they ask me to do so, then I am out of touch with the participants in this forum. And if that's the case, and if enough regulars to this forum register their dissent in this thread, then I'll step down as moderator of this forum.

If you like, in registering your dissent you can also state why you think this forum would be a better place if posters were allowed to use someone else's name in a post over the objection of the poster whose name is being used. Please spare me from the childish argument that Joe Blow gets to do it in his forum.

I don't want to moderate without the support of forum participants and I can't change my stated policy of deleting names and still have self integrity.

I know other forums have different policies. That seems fine with the administration and it's also fine with me. Hopefully in that way everyone can find a spot they like with policies they can accept.

If you want to get rid of me as moderator and possibly change forum policy, this is your chance. No insults please. Just register your dissent.

No need for you to reply if you agree with me and like the forum the way it is.

Buzz

I hate the ballet

However, I love Buzz

Sorry. Maybe I should have used a different metaphor, or no metaphor at all.

The song isn't really about the ballet. It's about how life can be crummy but maybe there's a place to which you can escape where everything isn't crummy, a place where everything is beautiful.

I don't want to copy the words here because I don't know copyright law and I don't want to violate copyright law.

But if you want the words to the song, just Google the title.

Sorry you don't like the ballet, but I didn't mean it like that.

Buzz

I personally don't like the idea of a regs thread either, I think it'd have very little value from a strat point of view and would just turn into a mean spirited argument pretty quickly. But I don't think it should be the role of mods to stop it either, that's too authoritarian, let it run and step in only if/when it trainwrecks.

But Buzz, definitely don't fire yourself as a mod, you're all around awesome.

This.

The wench and I know copyright law, and I assure you that you can talk about it all you want. You can even cite and recite passages. In fact, the writer finds this flattering as long as you aren't using their work for your financial gain.

This brings us around to our ballet: in a manner of speaking, we all hold the rights to our own name, our own mark, how it is presented, and its PR. The mods reserve the right to redirect the ballet where unjustified or undignified harm comes to a dancer. But we'll try really hard not to.

And I would rather have a forum without a regs thread than a forum without Buzz. And it isn't close.

.................... ^^^This.^^^

Buzz

Oh I understood the metaphor, I just don't like the ballet lol :P Nothing to do with the subject or the thread. Just generic banter

This OF COURSE!!!

But, it shouldn't be either/or?

For Buzz to change his mind at the urging of members, especially since his co-mod was not adamantly opposed and even seemed to give lukewarm support - in no way would be interpreted as a lack of integrity on Buzz' part.

Buzz - your line in the sand is like a line in the sand. It is not a brick wall.

There is merit in a thread as proposed, or people would not have continued the discussion.

I also fail to see how it is "childish" to point out that it works well in other forums. That is no different than citing examples to support a point of view, whether about poker, farming, or space travel.

You have your dander up about this, but why not step back, think on it, and see if possibly there is merit in another point of view besides your own.

Seems fair to me.

I think I have yet to see a post from Lucky Lite that isnt provocative or against Mods in some way, granted I havent been looking that much lately

Check the O8 Fantasy football thread (o no wait him & pred got into it a bit ago). Honestly, I harbor 0 hate for Lucky & kind of think of him like a lil' cousin or something that just always says the wrong thing at the wrong time (or maybe the text translation of his thought process is just a bit raw).

It's a brick wall to me. You might not see what the line is. It has nothing to do with a "regulars thread." I've already indicated I can tolerate that. The last one didn't happen to work out and almost immediately had more names deleted (to protect the identity of the name I did delete) than I wanted deleted, and got locked to stop what I foresaw as an immediate hassle and squabble leading to nowhere good for the forum.

Perhaps, if it's done right.

"Childish" was a poorly chosen word by me. There was no intention to offend you. It's not "childish" at all to point out that something works well in other forums. I guess I get tired of posters telling me that some other forum does stuff better or has a better moderator.

My thinking was, and is, different 2+2 forums have different policies and that's a positive. In that way a poster or reader can find a place he/she enjoys and can live with the policies as administered by the moderators of that site.

Wrong. I feel quite calm and objective about it. If I'm out of step with most of the forum participants, then I should step down as moderator. And that's OK with me.

I stated policy and responded to questions and objections in that one thread before Truthiness finally locked that thread, hoped the storm had passed, but then it resurfaced in the monthly wtf thread.

Here it is: I want to get it decided once and for all, one way or the other, and then move on.

OK. Fair enough. The other point of view seems to be I've already indicated that although I oppose such a thread, (because they never have seemed to work out well on this forum) I'll tolerate one and I'll "try really hard not to delete names from it."

Here are a couple of arguments for removing names if anyone objects to his/her name being used. (These are slightly revised from post #2 above).

• One of the goals for removing names if anyone objects to his/her name being used is to get competent Omaha-8 players to truthfully discuss strategy and tactics openly and freely without fear of being ridiculed and without having the tactics and strategy they actually use when playing exposed and analyzed by their enemies so that others might take advantage of them because of their candor in this forum.

• Another goal is to spare us all from the bickering, anger, and animosity that develops when one poster writes something about another poster that the other poster resents. My experience is that posts exposing other posters without their consent lead to animosity and continued squabbles that do nobody any good and that end up with me having to choose sides and ban someone.

Now you have a chance to present your arguments for the merit in the other point of view on this issue.

Evidently that is: Go ahead and present your arguments. Or I'll put the issue to a vote, if anyone likes. This is the issue: I'm willing to accept the will of the majority of posters to this site, as presented in this thread or if you want a separate thread with a poll, just ask and I'll do it that way.

Buzz

Thanks Strkr.

Buzz, don't consider stepping down as mod. Nobody wants you to quit and I think you know that so it's a bit unfair for you to add that stipulation. Even though I think I'm right and the majority of posters would like to have a regs thread, it's not really worth it. All I really wanted was to be able to say anything. If there's a vote to have a regs thread without deletions and keep buzz as mod then I vote for that; if that doesn't exist then I agree with truthiness, a forum without "regs threads" yet with buzz would be fine.

Also, I don't think people will post their dissention of the current policies in the o8 forum (not enough people post or look at the o8 forum), so for things to remain the same looks like a safe bet.

Bottom line, Buzz your strategy posts are definately worth more than a regs thread.

I can abide a regs thread, LITE, and I'll try not to botch it up like I botched up the last one.

What I can't abide is being directed how to moderate this forum by anyone but the administration or my co-moderator. (That would make this job intolerable).

I'll read suggestions and I'll explain my reasoning if I think that's appropriate, but at the end of the day I need the freedom to moderate as I think is right. If that's not in step with the group, if I don't have the support of the group for my policies and "iron mouse" actions, then someone should take my place.

Buzz

This threat of 'resigning" sounds a bit silly and over dramatic to me. No1 will be free to express their true opinion on the matter if they know the result will be that you resign. I don't see why this is such a massive issue of integrity... surely 1 thing that a moderator needs is a little flexibility and an open mind. How is it that this tiny issue would be enough to make you resign? Why would it be so terrible to have a regs thread without deleting names... you seem to be saying that this is a deal breaker for you and Im scratching my head trying to figure out why...

Do you think it would be perceived as weak to change your stance on a matter like this? If that is the case I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. if anything people would think even more of you than they already do. the vibe I am getting is that you feel like you only have 2 options: to dig your heels in or 2 resign as mod...

regs thread = bad business

why all the newbies trying to get thier way

LOL I guess you're a veteran with a whopping 114 posts

how many cards can you use from your hand?