On the bubble with a massive stack compared to the others. The scenario is;

Scenario: CO is all in and Hero and UTG call, the nice thing to do would be to check it down and hope to burst the bubble. However If Hero trys to bet out UTG even if he doesn't have a scoop and possibly let CO grab half or all of the pot depedning on what he has. It would still keep the bubble in tact and keep the other players playing tight allowing Hero to continue to bully the table.


Hero (BTN): t15357 M = 25.59
SB: t4921 M = 8.20
BB: t2020 M = 3.37
UTG: t3610 M = 6.02
CO: t1092 M = 1.82

What do you guys think about this kind of play?

Re raise pre/iso with any decent hand. No one behind can call and you'll be getting a good overlay becuase of the blinds.

Depends a bit on the exact bubble situation/payouts. I guess UTG can call, but it doesnt matter if he does really. Id look at it more as him sweetening the pot with a further 1BB, which he will probabaly leave behind if you raise.

Not really talking about how to play it, maybe what I typed was a bit misleading.

What I wanted to know is what you think about betting someone out of a 3 way pot with 1 player all in on the bubble.

say the board is As 6c 3d Kd 9c and you have AK6t so you have no possible low and you bet the other guy out giving the all in guy a chance to take the low with any two low cards.

All in guy would only go up to like 3 - 3.5M which isn't a threat and UTG would be even shorter than before.

Edit: I'm think of this simply as a strategic move to keep the table playing tight on the bubble and continue to push players around and make them feel pressure.

If you know your strategy will work, why WOULDN'T you do it? WTF are you talking about etiquette? This isn't a live game and your opponents don't care if you are pissed at them (meaning I doubt they care about etiquette) - they want your money (and I assume you want theirs). The question shouldn't be - should I do something that would piss them off (this is where I think you are talking about the etiqutte part?) the question is how can I piss them off the most, make them tilt the most, take all their chips the easiest. Whatever the answer to question 2 is, you should probably be doing, that is, if you like winning, winning money, winning at poker.

In general I'd jam him out where possible. Its the correct move for you I think. If we had a little less and cared about the bubble, I could see an argument for checking it down (though would still go ahead and try to win as much of the pot as possible), but here we are so far out in front that the all in guy getting something back is a good result becuase we can keep bullying with little regard for the chips.

I think that it's pretty standard, from what I've read in the tournament forum, to try to keep shorty alive, in order to beat up on the table.

You do what you can

I've gone as far as dumping chips to do that. ( as in, call pf against shorties BB, then fold flop when he checks)

Not only does shorty keep people playing tight, doing stuff to keep him around pisses them off. That is always +EV, IMO.

Regards

Gar

This.

It's not bad to let the shorty get back a few feeble chips - just keep chipping away at the table.

Hmm. I agree with the general strategy but feel that this goes too far.

In fact unless I am mistaken it is 'against the rules' of the game although seems pretty unlikely anyone can catch you - in particular if you time out

@AgriBob (interesting how communication styles change)

I don't usually do that. I was PO'ed at a different villian who was getting short-stacked and hoping to slide into some undeserved min-cash. ::Fair Warning:: Potty-mouth trash talkers will be violated ::/Fair Warning:: It was more retaliation than something I normally do.

I started leaving chat off, now, and my stress levels have gone way down.

Nonetheless, PS software allows you to fold at any time, so it can't be against the rules of the game. And it's not an on-going collusion sort of thing, and I never heard of a rule that says you have to play as hard as you can against everybody all the time. That there is just people's idea of how Poker Winners play. Not arguing it isn't a good idea, just that it isn't a rule and sometimes there's a better idea.

There's a big difference, to me, between giving a few chips to shorty in order to keep him in the game and chips to a friend in order to help him win. That second is definitely against the rules of the game.

Also, I'm not suggesting raising PF to drive everbody else out, then open-folding the flop. That would raise people's suspicions.
/@Angribob

@The Forum

How about open-folding your SB when BB is the shorty and it's checked to you? Only you know if your hand is worth playing...

Given that there is value to keeping Shorty alive, how does Shorty's presence affect the perceived worth of your hand PF?

Say you have 279Q rainbow in the SB and shorty is the BB and it's folded to you. Defend? If no, where do you start defending? AA23 ds? something less?

Now take the same cards, give BB a stack more like 2/3 or larger of your stack, what hand do you start defending with?

Hmmm...I wonder if a correlation could be made between relative stack/blind ratios and optimal [SB-refending hand rating] that would give you an answer to that... wonder what else you'd have to take into account...

Regards

Gar