Im playing 2 tables of 3/6pl and 4 tables of 2/4pl since i got 2 hours to spend before i go to bed suddenly in a matter of 15 minutes im down 10 rebuys, which makes it almost 2500 - what now? Do i continue? Or do i call it a night?

To give you an example of how bad I was running, ill post the following hand where stars finds the most appropriate setups for my hands against very bad players

PokerStars Game #14711587835: Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/01/21 - 01:43:19 (ET)
Table 'Siri II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: poppet29 ($176 in chips)
Seat 4: UHave_3_Outs ($259 in chips)
Seat 5: GotGame76 ($812.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Sithriel ($451.25 in chips)
Seat 7: GhostButtons ($614.50 in chips)
Seat 8: ALL(5) ($55 in chips)
Sithriel: posts small blind $3
GhostButtons: posts big blind $6
poppet29: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to poppet29 [6c 3d 3s Ah]
ALL(5): folds
poppet29: checks
UHave_3_Outs: folds
GotGame76: folds
Sithriel: folds
GhostButtons: raises $22 to $28
poppet29: calls $22
*** FLOP *** [6h 6s 2s]
GhostButtons: bets $55
poppet29: raises $93 to $148 and is all-in
GhostButtons: calls $93
*** TURN *** [6h 6s 2s] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [6h 6s 2s 9s] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GhostButtons: shows [2c 2h 4h 7s] (HI: a full house, Deuces full of Sixes)
poppet29: mucks hand
GhostButtons collected $352 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $355 | Rake $3
Board [6h 6s 2s 9s Ks]
Seat 2: poppet29 mucked [6c 3d 3s Ah]
Seat 4: UHave_3_Outs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: GotGame76 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Sithriel (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: GhostButtons (big blind) showed [2c 2h 4h 7s] and won ($352) with HI: a full house, Deuces full of Sixes
Seat 8: ALL(5) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

give up

Yes. You call it a night. Somehow, you probably are on tilt. You don't continue playing when you are on tilt. You leave the game, reassess, and perhaps come back another day. (Or perhaps not).

Buzz

You don't have a very good starting hand. The rainbow nature of the hand is poor, the six stinks, the pair of threes makes this a trap hand, and ace-three low combo without a four or five back-up is poor. If you start playing crap like this to try to get even, you're on tilt.

Nice flop for your hand!
Seems right.
Now this tread qualifies for the bad beat forum. But I'm going to leave it here because there's a lesson in it.

The lesson is don't play crap hands when you're on tilt.

Buzz

For the record, Idiot29 and Poppet29 are two different people who coincidentally starting posting in this forum around the same time?

I only ask because it seems like Idiot29 is Poppet29's snarky alter-ego.

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See that Poppet, I didn't even give you away!

I think Buzz is right. That at the point where you are making this post about how far down you are and stuff like that, then it is obviously affecting you and probably affecting the +EV decisions you are making.

Also, as one who is prone to tilt and chase, I have started to learn to step away at this point b/c I will start chasing my money by either taking stupid gambles to try and get back to even or jump stakes and take stupid gambles.

Although it sucks to run into coolers like this, there is nothing that you can do other than to be pissed and go to sleep.

On the hand: Buzz, this is a bvb hand where we have position. I dont think I am ever folding this pf.

Ummm. Wouldn't 10 buy-ins at these levels be between $4000-$6000? So I am assuming you bought in for less than the min. and got stacked 10 times?

I would estimate 3-4 stackings is realistically enough to start affecting my play a little. 10 stackings I think pretty much would tilt just about anyone. At the levels I think you typically play. Having losing days of $2500 is a fact of life. You are going to go down that far in a session from time to time if you play regularly.

You always have to monitor what the table conditions are, and whether being honest with yourself you truly are playing well enough to have an edge. Staying because "luck must even out" can get you broke. As I am sure you know. It can take 10s of thousands of hands for "luck" to even out.

Hi zizazziza - What does "bvb" mean?

With a suited ace, I'm playing it. Or change one of the threes to a four or five and I'm playing it. Or change the six to a four or five and I'm playing it.

The betting as recorded by Poppet was confusing to me. He says he's in the big blind, and evidently he is because it only costs him $22 to call the raise to $28, but why is he checking on the first betting round before it's his turn to act? (He should be acting last on the first betting round, right?)

Whatever.

I guess he's defending his big blind. $9 + $28 = $37 in the pot and it costs him $22 to defend. The trouble with the hand for defense is it's not a scoop type hand. He basically puts in the extra $22 to break even on the $22 plus whatever else it costs - and to win half of $15! He's gambling $22 and risking more of his stack to win a lousy $7.50. I think it's a bad bet.

Buzz

The other day I went to the card store to try and find a little clip-on device to attach to my ear that whispers these exact words in a never-ending loop. Unfortunately, they don't carry such a product. I need to hire a cheap talking monkey.

If you don't use it already, http://pokerevsoftware.com/ is great for seeing whether you are just running bad or playing poorly. I'd always recommend walking away after getting stacked that many times, even if I got it in with the best of it every time. Some days it's just not your day and it's better to come back and start fresh rather than playing catch up.

looks like poppet was posting from mp at a 6max table and called the raise from the bb.

buzz, bvb = blind vs. blind (not the case here, but similar)

fwiw, i'm putting bb on a wide range since his only customer is a poster. as such, i think this is an easy call (in theory). if i were tilting or losing big, i might tighten up a bit, but this could very well be within my range (depends on villain).

punt?

Hi Kuso - Thanks.

I read the post right when I first looked at it, but then I was tired and about to go to bed when I saw that zizazziza had responded. When I looked read back at what I had written, I somehow didn't see that it was blind versus blind. Nor did it register this is six max, though clearly it is.

This is not going to make any sense to you until you get to be my age and start having trouble with your eyes when you're tired, but when I re-read what I had written and quoted, I somehow didn't read the middle line in How is that possible? I don't know. But it puts a somewhat different light on things. And somehow I was thinking full game rather than six max. It's a tad on the weak/trap side for full game play, but I rate the hand marginal for fixed-limit six max.

The trap aspect of the hand for me is if I catch a three on the flop, then after the flop I'll have a set of threes for high plus probably a fourth nut low draw. With a set of threes, I don't really want the board to pair above me, and I don't want it to flush or enable a straight either. There's hardly a way the board can end up that I'll like for high (except quad threes) and ace-six can never be the nuts for low. You don't need the nuts much for high, but you do like the nuts a lot for low.

Heads-up against random hands, the A336 is 51 to 49, slightly better than the average random hand and about a coin flip against a random hand - a bit better than a coin flip against a random hand, scooping about 34.5%, tying the equivalent of about 31.7%, and flat out losing the equivalent of about 33.8%, as simulated. (100,000 runs using Wilson).

That's as simulated against random hands. When someone attacks your blind, even if it's another blind, it isn't necessarily, or even probably, with a random hand. If your opponent simply has an ace plus three random blanks, A336n is roughly a 43.9 to 56.1 underdog (as simulated, one-on-one, 100,000 runs using Wilson. It scoops ~25.8%, wins high only ~5.8%, wins low only ~12.3%. I figure that as the equivalent of scooping 25.8%, splitting ~36.2 and flat out losing 38.9%.)

That heads-up simulation speaks for itself. And it doesn't include expensive losses when you're trapped with the hand. A336n may be a better looking hand than it actually is. At least I think so.

Buzz

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this isn't 6max, just not a full table

PokerStars does not have short-handed or heads-up NLO8 tables. Full Tilt does have 6max NLO8, but not currently providing HU.

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Buzz can we ban this POS...All he does is insult other posters and serves no purpose here...He has never contributed at all to strategy discussion...If I wanted to sift through a bunch of garbage I'd waste my time at Pocket 5s...

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Now you just get back to thinking you know how to play cards...

i welcome u to challenge me at any game u just let me know when and where