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07-10-2013 , 02:40 AM
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Solid advice. This is something I have been working on myself both with poker and in general. Although its important to be confident we have to be careful not to get too big of an ego where we start to become overconfident. It is important to understand we all make mistakes and the problem with ego is generally the bigger the ego the less likely we are to admit to ourselves we are making them.

I wouldnt be too worried about those line ups Duncan. The games I played with you were reggy but I would think that you would still be profitable in them.

I see you mentioned waterboa... He is running hot against me as well. I have not seen him before this week but he seems to play ok. Another player that has really caught my eye is mitorun. I have never seen him before this week either but i have been really impressed with his game. Any thoughts on either player? Have you seen either in 18 mans, 9 mans before? I guess I just find it strange when new players show up and aren't terrible because it just happens so rarely.
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07-10-2013 , 04:00 AM
no data of both in 9 man or 18 man.
at my tracker that is.
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07-10-2013 , 05:03 AM
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Solid advice. This is something I have been working on myself both with poker and in general. Although its important to be confident we have to be careful not to get too big of an ego where we start to become overconfident. It is important to understand we all make mistakes and the problem with ego is generally the bigger the ego the less likely we are to admit to ourselves we are making them.

I wouldnt be too worried about those line ups Duncan. The games I played with you were reggy but I would think that you would still be profitable in them.

I see you mentioned waterboa... He is running hot against me as well. I have not seen him before this week but he seems to play ok. Another player that has really caught my eye is mitorun. I have never seen him before this week either but i have been really impressed with his game. Any thoughts on either player? Have you seen either in 18 mans, 9 mans before? I guess I just find it strange when new players show up and aren't terrible because it just happens so rarely.
Undecided as yet on both. But agreed, I don't think they are fish.

So when you see a line up that has Bokkie, Angri, Traktor, Premove and Dunc do even you think you would have profitable edge? I know I don't. That's kind of what was going on yesterday.
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07-10-2013 , 05:44 AM
There is no way in hell you get that lineup because angri would table (de)select that
10 times imo (for a good reason obv)

But obv that lineup is at best BE when you play near perfect. Looks to me like
some of the NLHE hyper sats with 6 SNE players in it...
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07-10-2013 , 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Macr0s_
There is no way in hell you get that lineup because angri would table (de)select that
10 times imo (for a good reason obv)

But obv that lineup is at best BE when you play near perfect. Looks to me like
some of the NLHE hyper sats with 6 SNE players in it...
I know that, I was just giving an example Macros. Replace Angris name with any other decent reg or even one fish and that was what was happening most of yesterday.
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07-10-2013 , 02:00 PM
Days where lineups are consistently 6 regs are rare but when they do happen I'm still going to sit. As far how profitable I expect to be in these sort of lineups. Well it depends on which regs and their playing styles but I still see myself as having some edge albeit a tiny one (0-2 % roi). Even if I did think that I might have a small - roi I would still play. I view tough lineups as a good opportunity to improve and test my skills. Now if everyday games were like this I would continue to play 60s 100s where even a 0-1% roi gives you a decent return with rb. If games were that reggy hopefully some of them would move up. However I would likely move on from the lower limits if 0-1% roi was the norm and play something else.
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07-10-2013 , 02:23 PM
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I see you mentioned waterboa... He is running hot against me as well. I have not seen him before this week but he seems to play ok. Another player that has really caught my eye is mitorun. I have never seen him before this week either but i have been really impressed with his game. Any thoughts on either player? Have you seen either in 18 mans, 9 mans before? I guess I just find it strange when new players show up and aren't terrible because it just happens so rarely.
Waterboa played well against me yesterday but he ran very well. Not just hands but in terms of position and stack sizes when shorthanded. Being out of position to certain players is a huge advantage in hypers.

Dont recall Mitorun but unless I play with them alot I don't learn names I just go by Avatar and Note ring.

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So when you see a line up that has Bokkie, Angri, Traktor, Premove and Dunc do even you think you would have profitable edge?
I would much rather STT were like the start of the year when it was possible to get 8 tables + of $15 turbos and the occasional $30 on the go. The amount of fish wanting to play 08 turbo STT is still really high but they need players registered to get them going.

Had a day off today was watching the cricket. Should be online early tomorrow to get hold of some Asian fishes.
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07-10-2013 , 03:43 PM
    Poker Stars, $30 Buy-in (60/120 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18336061

    Yurec1707 (CO): 1,695 (14.1 bb)
    BO_JP (BTN): 3,164 (26.4 bb)
    smonkey79 (SB): 6,736 (56.1 bb)
    PamPamPake (BB): 9,302 (77.5 bb)
    CHIVUTARU (UTG+1): 2,760 (23 bb)
    Hero (UTG+2): 10,150 (84.6 bb)
    foxyfaye (MP1): 2,640 (22 bb)
    19BLUTO69 (MP2): 3,000 (25 bb)
    TzeiAar (MP3): 4,808 (40.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T K T J
    CHIVUTARU folds, Hero raises to 240, foxyfaye calls 240, 5 folds, PamPamPake calls 120

    Flop: (780) T 6 2 (3 players)
    PamPamPake bets 720, Hero raises to 1,920, foxyfaye folds, PamPamPake calls 1,200

    Turn: (4,620) 8 (2 players)
    PamPamPake checks, Hero bets 3,720, PamPamPake raises to 7,142 and is all-in, Hero calls 3,422

    River: (18,904) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: 18,904 pot
    Final Board: T 6 2 8 8
    PamPamPake showed 8 7 3 8 and won 18,904 (9,602 net)
    Hero showed T K T J and lost (-9,302 net)



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    terrible week but guess expected. i'm seeing this aggro mule quite a bit in plo8 also. Just as terrible in both games but seems to be running good.
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    07-10-2013 , 05:51 PM
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    Originally Posted by Dmalloy

    I would much rather STT were like the start of the year when it was possible to get 8 tables + of $15 turbos and the occasional $30 on the go. The amount of fish wanting to play 08 turbo STT is still really high but they need players registered to get them going.
    +1
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    07-11-2013 , 12:08 PM
    Looks like there are a few regging for turbo STT today. So if anyone is interested in 9 man turbos or KO's lets see if we can get a decent amount running.
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    07-11-2013 , 12:41 PM
    Painful

      Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18353251

      Hero (MP1): 5,025 (50.3 bb)
      MP2: 5,852 (58.5 bb)
      MP3: 2,625 (26.3 bb)
      CO: 2,476 (24.8 bb)
      BTN: 3,095 (31 bb)
      SB: 2,689 (26.9 bb)
      BB: 1,472 (14.7 bb)
      UTG+1: 5,878 (58.8 bb)
      UTG+2: 2,190 (21.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 4 K A 9
      2 folds, Hero raises to 300, MP2 raises to 1,050, 5 folds, Hero calls 750

      Flop: (2,250) 9 K T (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP2 bets 1,300, Hero raises to 3,975 and is all-in, MP2 calls 2,675

      Turn: (10,200) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: (10,200) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 10,200 pot
      Final Board: 9 K T 7 A
      Hero showed 4 K A 9 and lost (-5,025 net)
      MP2 showed A 2 A Q and won 10,200 (5,175 net)



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      07-11-2013 , 01:07 PM
      pretty awful hand really...fine if it was a suited ace

      it's close to just a str8 fold pre but as played open less and fold to 3 bet almost always
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      07-11-2013 , 01:23 PM
      can I still bet against billy? I just read post 1 and the last page.
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      07-11-2013 , 02:03 PM
      your not allowed out the travel forum PE!

      and no you can't I am already quite a bit behind
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      07-11-2013 , 04:20 PM
      This sums my day up well it doesn't. I'm playing very badly at the moment. Am dropping all non asian time Hypers now. Just not worth playing. Got to try and get my sleep pattern sorted so i'm awake for the 27 and 33 no limits. This might be won Billy by the person who loses the least.


        Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (50/100 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18353771

        BTN: 8,394 (83.9 bb)
        SB: 5,809 (58.1 bb)
        Hero (BB): 8,006 (80.1 bb)
        MP: 7,909 (79.1 bb)
        CO: 3,241 (32.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 3 8 8
        MP raises to 250, 3 folds, Hero calls 150

        Flop: (600) 8 5 Q (2 players)
        Hero checks, MP bets 350, Hero raises to 899, MP calls 549

        Turn: (2,398) A (2 players)
        Hero bets 1,000, MP raises to 3,500, Hero raises to 6,847 and is all-in, MP calls 3,250 and is all-in

        River: (15,898) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: 15,898 pot
        Final Board: 8 5 Q A 4
        Hero showed 2 3 8 8 and won 7,949 (40 net)
        MP showed 3 4 J A and won 7,949 (40 net)



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        07-11-2013 , 04:54 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Dmalloy
        Painful

          Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 9 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18353251

          Hero (MP1): 5,025 (50.3 bb)
          MP2: 5,852 (58.5 bb)
          MP3: 2,625 (26.3 bb)
          CO: 2,476 (24.8 bb)
          BTN: 3,095 (31 bb)
          SB: 2,689 (26.9 bb)
          BB: 1,472 (14.7 bb)
          UTG+1: 5,878 (58.8 bb)
          UTG+2: 2,190 (21.9 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 4 K A 9
          2 folds, Hero raises to 300, MP2 raises to 1,050, 5 folds, Hero calls 750

          Flop: (2,250) 9 K T (2 players)
          Hero checks, MP2 bets 1,300, Hero raises to 3,975 and is all-in, MP2 calls 2,675

          Turn: (10,200) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          River: (10,200) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: 10,200 pot
          Final Board: 9 K T 7 A
          Hero showed 4 K A 9 and lost (-5,025 net)
          MP2 showed A 2 A Q and won 10,200 (5,175 net)



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          kinda brutal, but wow at your play pre
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          07-11-2013 , 05:15 PM
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          kinda brutal, but wow at your play pre
          This is why I had Pot Limit as a game as it just rewards nittyness. I don't think the open is too bad but Villain is a nitty reg and this is 100% AA. I'm not going to justify the call or not but I like sticking it in the eye of nitty regs when they have AA.
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          07-11-2013 , 05:15 PM
          The Bokkie min raise...

            Poker Stars, $6.71 Buy-in (10/20 blinds, 2 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18353911

            CO: 498 (24.9 bb)
            BTN: 488 (24.4 bb)
            SB: 560 (28 bb)
            Hero (BB): 498 (24.9 bb)
            UTG: 498 (24.9 bb)
            MP: 458 (22.9 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with A 3 9 4
            3 folds, BTN raises to 40, SB calls 30, Hero calls 20

            Flop: (132) 2 6 9 (3 players)
            SB checks, Hero bets 100, BTN raises to 446 and is all-in, SB folds, Hero calls 346

            Turn: (1,024) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            River: (1,024) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

            Results: 1,024 pot
            Final Board: 2 6 9 2 J
            BTN showed J 7 J 5 and won 1,024 (536 net)
            SB mucked and lost (-42 net)
            Hero showed A 3 9 4 and lost (-488 net)



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            07-11-2013 , 06:39 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by billygstar
              Poker Stars, $30 Buy-in (60/120 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha Tournament, 9 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18336061

              Yurec1707 (CO): 1,695 (14.1 bb)
              BO_JP (BTN): 3,164 (26.4 bb)
              smonkey79 (SB): 6,736 (56.1 bb)
              PamPamPake (BB): 9,302 (77.5 bb)
              CHIVUTARU (UTG+1): 2,760 (23 bb)
              Hero (UTG+2): 10,150 (84.6 bb)
              foxyfaye (MP1): 2,640 (22 bb)
              19BLUTO69 (MP2): 3,000 (25 bb)
              TzeiAar (MP3): 4,808 (40.1 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T K T J
              CHIVUTARU folds, Hero raises to 240, foxyfaye calls 240, 5 folds, PamPamPake calls 120

              Flop: (780) T 6 2 (3 players)
              PamPamPake bets 720, Hero raises to 1,920, foxyfaye folds, PamPamPake calls 1,200

              Turn: (4,620) 8 (2 players)
              PamPamPake checks, Hero bets 3,720, PamPamPake raises to 7,142 and is all-in, Hero calls 3,422

              River: (18,904) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

              Results: 18,904 pot
              Final Board: T 6 2 8 8
              PamPamPake showed 8 7 3 8 and won 18,904 (9,602 net)
              Hero showed T K T J and lost (-9,302 net)



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              Originally Posted by billygstar
              terrible week but guess expected. i'm seeing this aggro mule quite a bit in plo8 also. Just as terrible in both games but seems to be running good.
              I mean, yeh, his flop call is completely wtf vs. your range ... but then your turn action is completely wtf against any sane range (and still being freerolled vs. him).

              After seeing both of you posting hands, I'm not sure who I'd want to bet against
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              07-11-2013 , 07:41 PM
              what would u do in heros pos illiterat with the top set?
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              07-11-2013 , 08:09 PM
              Check back turn, planning to call all rivers. I just don't see the point in hero betting as villain has to be completely insane to not have a low on an 8 and if he called flop with it he's much more likely to shove turn than fold.

              I did initially think this was one of the few rivers I might shove over a bet, but the more I think about it the less sure I am that it's worth that (villain folds or gets scooped about as often as he has quads).
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              07-11-2013 , 08:40 PM
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              Originally Posted by illiterat
              Check back turn, planning to call all rivers. I just don't see the point in hero betting as villain has to be completely insane to not have a low on an 8 and if he called flop with it he's much more likely to shove turn than fold.

              I did initially think this was one of the few rivers I might shove over a bet, but the more I think about it the less sure I am that it's worth that (villain folds or gets scooped about as often as he has quads).

              lol with 1.5x pot behind you are obv bet-calling turn
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              07-12-2013 , 12:53 AM
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              I mean, yeh, his flop call is completely wtf vs. your range ... but then your turn action is completely wtf against any sane range (and still being freerolled vs. him).

              After seeing both of you posting hands, I'm not sure who I'd want to bet against
              the hand is plo not plo8
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              07-12-2013 , 12:57 AM
              although if it was plo8 I still might bet the turn against a donk like that.
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              07-12-2013 , 01:07 AM
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              Originally Posted by billygstar
              the hand is plo not plo8
              Why would you open that hand? I wouldn't play it from any other position than button.
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