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05-16-2023 , 08:26 AM
Weak hand on river for both Hi and Lo. Who here bluffs this river?

Can we expect people to fold a 7532A to a pot bet?

Winning Poker, 5 Card Omaha H/L Pot Limit - $3/$6 - 5 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $656.33 (109 bb)
CO (Hero): $175.80 (29 bb)
BU: $1,017.62 (170 bb)
SB: $235.57 (39 bb)
BB: $606.00 (101 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($9) Hero is CO with 4 K T 3 A
1 fold, Hero raises to $13.50, BTN calls $13.50, 2 players fold

Flop: ($36) 5 3 A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($36) J (2 players)
Hero bets $18, BTN calls $18

River: ($72) 7 (2 players)
Hero
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05-16-2023 , 08:50 AM
I somehow feel bluffing this board with this action without a deuce or a six is just bad. You have so many bluffs to choose from, why this one?

I think flop is clearly fine. Turn not sure why this hand would be a good bet. You are low in your range and he will continue a ton.
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05-16-2023 , 08:56 AM
I dont think many bluffs exist that holds a 2 since its one of the better lo hands? I could be easily missing a key concept here

I thought 4 might be ok because it blocks the 64 straight

And why this hand? Hi is pretty weak, could bluff off many better 2p?

Agree on turn bet. In hindsight i prefer the check/call
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05-16-2023 , 11:03 AM
Maybe this is a hi/lo specific concept. You can pick your "bluffs" from hands that will get a lot of splits vs hands that bluff catch. I don't pot these boards in general, just because it makes bluffing expensive.
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05-16-2023 , 04:36 PM
I'm ok with small flop leads with both nut straight blocker and nut spade blocker.

As played, don't really like turn size - we probably want to go more polar and j did not help us.

As played i think block bet or pot on river both ok.
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05-16-2023 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
I'm ok with small flop leads with both nut straight blocker and nut spade blocker.

As played, don't really like turn size - we probably want to go more polar and j did not help us.

As played i think block bet or pot on river both ok.
Block bet on river is interesting, didnt think of that one. I felt that my 2p didnt have much equity for the hi

No nut spade blocker btw
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05-16-2023 , 04:59 PM
The problem I have with bluffing here is that most of the time the bluff "works" we were getting the entire pot anyway. I'd rather catch the bluff here than be the bluff.
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05-16-2023 , 06:51 PM
Hero is roughly never scooping a hand that calls the turn though. I also don't think spades are very relevant. Villain is more likely to start bluffing the flop with spade combos than call turn, assuming he is somewhat competent.
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05-16-2023 , 07:49 PM
Quick sim:

Hero has roughly 35-36% flopped equity.

Even though villain only flops wheel 16.7% of the time his range is very 2x heavy.

Moreover, this is a bad runout for Hero - villain has 78% equity and that is without adjusting for him folding some weaker holdings to half pot on turn.

*jack is a mostly neutral turn card

I still think its ok for Hero to turn hand into a low frequency bluff - maybe best as flop xr or potting rivers when it checks through twice

Again given turn mantains Hero's large equity disadvantage from flop, half-pot is a very unattractive sizing.



Even if Hero had Ks like i thought, flop lead is optimistic, but it puts more pressure on marginal low hands without much going for high side
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05-17-2023 , 05:59 AM
Assuming a turn check, how does everyone respond facing a bet? Hard to make a case for calling.

Good thing about betting half pot on turn is that you get to the see the river more often (unless raised obv, but that might not happen much) with the downside is I then get into this river spot OoP with a marginal holding
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