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8/16 LO8: AQT9/T94 5-way, lag to hero's right bets 8/16 LO8: AQT9/T94 5-way, lag to hero's right bets

01-03-2012 , 05:23 AM
a lag to your right creates some nasty spots, having bad relative position.
changing seats is advisable, but player rotation in LO8 is slower than in most other games. when players don't leave, I can't move seats.

anyway, a 35/30 semi-maniac raises in EP, 75/30 super loose and pretty aggressive kill defends in MP, hero has AQT9 with nut diamonds in the CO.

Generally, I don't like playing high hands with a 9 for a raise, unless the pot is multiway.

I looked left and saw the BTN is prepared to fold and SB to call. If SB calls, BB is also likely to join the party (the players in the blinds are the loose-passive type).

So I was going to have position in a big multiway pot.

...hero calls, BTN folds, SB calls, BB calls.

flop (5 players, 10 small bets): T94 with 2 spades and a heart.

bare lousy top two pair is trouble...

checks to super loose MP player who bets, hero raises, trying to thin the field.

plan fails when SB and BB both cold-call, EP folds, MP calls

turn (4 players, 9 big bets): 6, now there's a straight possible and yet another flush draw out and low draw.

checks to hero, hero happily checks behind, trying to catch lightning in a bottle for cheap.

river: 8, completing a backdoor flush, and putting a low and 4-straight on board.

SB bets, BB calls, MP calls, hero folds...

thoughts? flop play interests me the most...
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01-03-2012 , 05:54 AM
would have played it the same way except occasionally betting turn
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01-03-2012 , 06:01 AM
Flop: Probably your line is good, you can't espect MP to have anything special, getting even one player to fold is a plus with the raise.

Turn: as played.

River: as played. A low is out, three villains in: somebody has it. Not every three of them is after the low, somebody's got a straight or a flush.

Last edited by plaaynde; 01-03-2012 at 06:16 AM.
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01-03-2012 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
Flop: I would probably just bet, but for thinning the field you often need two small bets in. But maybe they aren't respecting check raises if doing it frequently. With the half kill in, I assume it's difficult to get folds anyway, maybe one folds, and that's ok
i'm in last position.
would you bet if it were checked around to you on the flop?
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01-03-2012 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by str8 or better
i'm in last position.
would you bet if it were checked around to you on the flop?
Thanks for being active, I found out about this already..., see corrected post

Yes, I would bet. Checked around to is a mark of extreme weakness for villains. And if somebody check/raised, I could hope somebody in early position did it, inducing some welcomed fold(s)...

Last edited by plaaynde; 01-03-2012 at 06:25 AM.
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01-03-2012 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by str8 or better
a lag to your right creates some nasty spots, having bad relative position.
changing seats is advisable, but player rotation in LO8 is slower than in most other games. when players don't leave, I can't move seats.

anyway, a 35/30 semi-maniac raises in EP, 75/30 super loose and pretty aggressive kill defends in MP, hero has AQT9 with nut diamonds in the CO.

Generally, I don't like playing high hands with a 9 for a raise, unless the pot is multiway.
Me neither. I'll make your hand A, T, Q, 9.

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I looked left and saw the BTN is prepared to fold and SB to call. If SB calls, BB is also likely to join the party (the players in the blinds are the loose-passive type).
I like your idea of looking left. I imagine you do that in a non-obvious way.

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So I was going to have position in a big multiway pot.

...hero calls,
Seems right.

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BTN folds, SB calls, BB calls.

flop (5 players, 10 small bets): T94 with 2 spades and a heart.
I'll make the flop T, 9, 4.

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bare lousy top two pair is trouble.

checks to super loose MP player who bets, hero raises, trying to thin the field.
Trouble with trying to thin the field is if it doesn't work, everybody tends to get stuck in the pot because of the size of the pot. Getting everyone stuck in the pot can work out for you if you end up with a winner. (But then if you are going to end up with a winner, don't you like more people paying you off?)

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plan fails when SB and BB both cold-call, EP folds, MP calls

turn (4 players, 9 big bets): 6, now there's a straight possible and yet another flush draw out and low draw.

checks to hero, hero happily checks behind, trying to catch lightning in a bottle for cheap.
Hero has four outs to make a probable winning full house. Hero's only getting 3 to 1 fresh money odds with 10 to 1 odds against him. (I agree with happily checking behind here).

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river: 8, completing a backdoor flush, and putting a low and 4-straight on board.

SB bets, BB calls, MP calls, hero folds...
I'd fold too.

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thoughts? flop play interests me the most...
Your raise on the flop didn't thin the field, but it did buy you a free card.

Alternate plays would be to:
• (1) call the flop, but then there's probably another bet on the turn, or
• (2) fold to the flop bet, but then you don't get to draw for a full house on the turn and river.

Starting from the flop, Hero, with top two flopped pairs, figures to make a full house on the turn or river
P=1-C(41,2)/C(45,2)
P=1-41*40/45/44
P=0.172

Thus the odds against Hero making full house on turn or river are about 5 to 1 (against).
(from 82828/17172=4.82/1)

With the flop raise, if Hero makes the full house, he collects at least 9 big bets (probably more).
Played the way Hero played the hand, after the flop it only costs Hero one big bet (or two small bets) to see the turn and river.

Looks like Hero got very favorable odds playing the hand exactly as he did. (Hero's implied pot odds are greater than the hand odds against him).

Nice play! Didn't work out this time, but I think you played correctly. Play consistently with the odds on your side and you'll show a long term profit.

Buzz
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01-03-2012 , 12:15 PM
I do like that turn check as virtually any card in the deck is bad for you except for another A giving you A's up with no straight draw, so you could add the A of clubs to your odds of winning as well giving you a 5 outer. It's not much, but its one more card that could help you on that river.

As played, I fold river.
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