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10-14-2013 , 08:01 AM
I'm still kinda new to non HU plo8, so forgive me if this is a nobrainer.

I expect to have a pretty aggro image (as far as people pay attention at these stakes), playing something like 30/22. Villain is 26/7 and seems to be passive pre and post flop. He snapraised the river.

I expect that with only one combo of 55 i'd be in pretty bad shape here, but I obv don't know if he'll be overvaluing a hand like that or maybe even a bluff or 33 because of my betsizing otr/my image. Like to hear some comments on sizing and floplead vs a x/r as well.

$0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($8.30) 166bb
UTG+1 ($2.46) 49bb
CO ($3.33) 67bb
BTN ($7.26) 145bb
Hero (SB) ($12.20) 244bb
BB ($2.19) 44bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is SB A Q 7 5
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO calls $0.05, BTN calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: Q Q 5 ($0.25, 5 players)
Hero bets $0.24, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.24

Turn: 3 ($0.73, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70

River: K ($2.13, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.12, BTN raises to $5.41, $4.29 to Hero ($10.09)?
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10-14-2013 , 12:35 PM
I fold pre. most of the time, worst position vs. 3 villains and you never flop well and randoms at 0.02/0.05 will call down a lot. Snap fold given BTN is 26/7.

Leading flop seems is fine, as you don't want to give free cards to 3 villains. Betting pot is meh. though, you have a lot behind so I'd much rather lead smaller with a much wider range.

Turn is close between betting pot and x/r, if I think villain will bet most Q hands then x/r seems better ... if not, then not. Most river cards will suck though.

Why are you betting half pot on the river? It looks just as strong as full pot for half the value (he'll call both about the same IMO). If you are betting to induce then bet 0.50 - 0.75, but being raised sucks due to a decent number of villains Q hands will have a K and if villain is calling twice with clubs then he's likely to have AA or KK to go with it (unless insane).
I sigh and fold river without reads that villain can turn random clubs into a bluff here (into a pot, pot, half pot line).
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10-14-2013 , 03:26 PM
based on your description of villain its a fold, he has KQ or KK
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10-14-2013 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweaty Phil
I'm still kinda new to non HU plo8, so forgive me if this is a nobrainer.

I expect to have a pretty aggro image (as far as people pay attention at these stakes), playing something like 30/22. Villain is 26/7 and seems to be passive pre and post flop. He snapraised the river.

I expect that with only one combo of 55 i'd be in pretty bad shape here, but I obv don't know if he'll be overvaluing a hand like that or maybe even a bluff or 33 because of my betsizing otr/my image. Like to hear some comments on sizing and floplead vs a x/r as well.

$0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($8.30) 166bb
UTG+1 ($2.46) 49bb
CO ($3.33) 67bb
BTN ($7.26) 145bb
Hero (SB) ($12.20) 244bb
BB ($2.19) 44bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is SB A Q 7 5
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO calls $0.05, BTN calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.03,
OK. Not a great starting hand and you're out of position, but I'd see the flop too. (Tighter players might not).

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BB checks

Flop: Q Q 5 ($0.25, 5 players)
Hero bets $0.24, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.24
I'd immediately put BTN probably on the missing queen for his continuance.

Then on further reflection, I'd assign a range to BTN. Here's the range of two-card combinations I'd think BTN might have:
AQ**, KQ**, QJ**, Q5**, AA**, KK**, or 55**.

That's the range on which I'd put for BTN for continuing after this flop. That's admittedly crude and BTN also could have a hand outside that range. But I don't think he does.

In my opinion, those are the possible two card combos that might be in a hand that would see this flop and then fit this flop well enough to continue. Rightly or wrongly, that's the conclusion my card reading sensibility leads me to think.

I don't give much credibility to the notion BTN might have air here. It's possible BTN has air. But I don't think so.

Crudely, without consideration of the other two cards, 3+4+4+2+3+6+1=23 are respectively the number of ways BTN can have any of the seven two-card combos within the range I've given him.

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Turn: 3 ($0.73, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70
Fine. BTN more or less has to call here with any hand within the range I've given him.

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River: K ($2.13, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.12,
Ouch!

I would not do that after a king on the river.

BTN should pay off with AQ**, QJ**, Q5**, AA**, or 55**
(3+4+2+3+1=13).
But BTN probably raises with KK** or KQ**
(6+4=10)

$2.13 is the amount BTN can bet if Hero doesn't bet the river, and Hero would have favorable odds to call.

But if Hero bets $1.12, BTN can raise to $8.74.
$8.74-$2.13=$6.61.
$6.61 is how much more BTN could put in the pot on the river after Hero's (foolish, in my opinion) river bet.

13/23*$1.12= 63¢ is relatively the amount you probably win with that bet, but
10/23*$6.61= $2.87 is relatively the amount you stand to lose with that bet if BTN has a hand within the range I assigned to him and makes a pot sized raise.

Assuming my card reading skills have put BTN on the correct range you stand to lose more than four times as much as you stand to gain by betting the river.

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BTN raises to $5.41, $4.29 to Hero ($10.09)?
Ouch.

Your mistake, if you made one, was betting the river after the river was a king. (On the other hand, poker is a funny game in that sometimes you make the wrong play and it turns out right. For all I know, you induced BTN to bluff and collected more than I would have).

Buzz
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10-14-2013 , 07:33 PM
wow, some very constructive responses itt. Thanks a ton!

Reason I limped pre and bet close to pot otf is that there were only fish in the pot (villain was probably the best player at the table), so I see no reason to balance my leading range/size whatsoever, i'll get to that when I think i'm good enough to play higher.

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Originally Posted by Buzz
Your mistake, if you made one, was betting the river after the river was a king. (On the other hand, poker is a funny game in that sometimes you make the wrong play and it turns out right. For all I know, you induced BTN to bluff and collected more than I would have).

Buzz
I brainfarted a bit otr, immediately regretted my half pot bet, think I was irrationally scared of that K and went smaller.

I don't know if I induced because I sigh folded. Thanks again.
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10-15-2013 , 03:35 PM
yeah, l'd agree witht the others, looks like KQ/KK.

better avoid river bet
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10-17-2013 , 12:54 AM
I would call and see a flop.

Leading on flop is ok but i check sometimes also so im not to obvious and checkraise if someone bet. Not many fold queen on these stakes when i have played it. You get much more in the pot and they have 9outs at best and some % to make a better low if they have cards to that.


If you have a aggro image i can think to checkraise on turn if you bet on flop, so they must pay big time if they want to gamble to make a low or better house.


As the hand are played i fold on river to a raise. Its very likely that opponent have q and hit the king or maybe kk in some sick scenario.
But its not fun to fold those hands.




Sorry for my bad english. Member here for a while now but have never hang around. I must change that =)
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