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4-8 Live LO8.  Not sure what to do on turn. 4-8 Live LO8.  Not sure what to do on turn.

04-24-2015 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by incrowd
You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope. Raising is the only play because if you call you are virtually turning your cards over for your opponents to see. You are making it easy for the other players to read exactly what you have, a counterfeited A2 with some high hopes. Raising makes your hand unreadable, but suggests AhAx3hXx.

Calling gives better pot odds to every weak hand you face, plus tells everybody what you have, which could lead to any two pair to checkraise. Calling puts half (sometimes all) the pot at risk.

This isn't close, raise.
what?
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04-24-2015 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
also note that based on the hands OP described

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: q872
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
ah6had2h12.76% 0153,155000
aj4h5h53.25% 43,68344,183735592,8713,112
q733.99% 2,176401,9277354,0173,112

raising could have gotten pretty expensive, even against a weaker 2 pair

it can work out nicely if the squeeze is sucessful, but you need to have some good reads on the rest of the table to be confident that play is better than calling
For raising to be correct here all we need is 2 things. The turn bettor must not be a complete nit. Someone that would be likely to have A387 or better very often. Not someone that would call the flop with a single nut out and bet the turn with a 2nd nut low. 5 high flush draw and gutshot to a bottom end straight. Someone that would do that could be described as loose aggressive and if we had played an orbit with such player it would be very unlikely we would think he was tight passive.

The second thing we need is for our opponents to have an ability to fold a reasonable range for 2 bets that they would call for 1. Most people that are not complete mouth breathers have such a range. You could even say that the fact that we got 2 folds on the turn for a single bet might to degree support this assumption. And obviously we have no way of knowing if the owner of Q7 would have folded for 2 bets. Somewhat unlikely but 27, 28 or 78 are very likely in the range of hands that some of our opponents fold some of the time for 2 bets but call 1.
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04-26-2015 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by incrowd
You're looking through the wrong end of the telescope. Raising is the only play because if you call you are virtually turning your cards over for your opponents to see. You are making it easy for the other players to read exactly what you have, a counterfeited A2 with some high hopes. Raising makes your hand unreadable, but suggests AhAx3hXx.

Calling gives better pot odds to every weak hand you face, plus tells everybody what you have, which could lead to any two pair to checkraise. Calling puts half (sometimes all) the pot at risk.

This isn't close, raise.
My belief is that your line of thinking is wrong, here's why. This is 4/8 Limit Omaha hi/lo in a live setting. It is extremely unlikely that your opponents are highly skilled players. More than likely they are loose-passive calling stations who you can value-town all day. They aren't going to suddenly become gurus of O8 and put you on your exact hand based on your actions, very likely the majority of them are only thinking about how they can hit their hands.

For me this is an easy call spot. I want all those other players in, chasing weaker hands (gutshot straights, non-nut flushes, etc) because when we hit we'll get paid off in multiple spots.
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